Wikitroid:Requests for Comment/Notability

This RfC was closed on 16:02, December 18, 2011 (UTC) by The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs}. Final resolution of making these cases eligble. Please do not modifiy it.

Notability
This RfC was closed at 16:02, December 18, 2011 (UTC) by The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs} with the final resolution of making these cases eligble Please do not modify it. A large portion of the community feels that certain topics aren’t notable enough to have articles. However, lack of notability is not one of the current criteria for deletion. The point of this RfC is to decide whether certain topics deserve articles and what types of topics are undeserving. Topics that are not deserving of articles should probably be discussed briefly on other articles.

Guidelines about what topics wouldn’t deserve articles under this new policy:


 * Things found in the real world (or real world culture) that are found or mentioned (possibly as comparisons) in the Metroid Universe, but have no special meaning or effect on gameplay. This means things like carbon, epidermis and Bigfoot. This doesn’t include things like water or the cow which have special meaning to the Metroid Universe.
 * Flora, fauna, and structures that serve as scenery, especially when there is little to no information on the topic. These could potentially be discussed in the article of the area they are found in.
 * Topics whose articles restate that which is in other articles or could be discussed in other articles without leaving the primary topic or creating large walls of text. Like the former Large lava pit arena article.
 * Topics who have very low potential to have an article with much more than 3 sentences relevant to Metroid describing it.

These would serve as a loose set of guidelines; it is ultimately determined by Request for Deletion and a bit of common sense. There are probably going to be exceptions to this, and are to be made on a case by case basis.


 * Question: Should articles that are not notable enough as determined by these guidelines be deleted or merged with other topics, or left alone?
 * Possible Postitions: Agree (if you would like to implement these guidelines and allow unnotable articles be deleted), Neutral (if you are not sure), or Disagree (if you disagree with these guidelines and do not want to allow these types of articles to be deleted).
 * Default (no consensus): The types of articles mentioned above will be left alone.

If I forgot something or worded something badly, please tell me below. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs} 22:30, November 11, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Agree: As creator. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs} 22:30, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree I was actully trying to see if I could work through AS' list without an RfC, but yeah, I do now agree with this. -- रॉ य ल ड़ का ए क्स (Talk • Contribs • UN) 23:22, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * But I'd like to add an additional point. I'd like for this system to not be enforced until all the articles that would be made illegal are deleted. I dunno, I just feel like we should study them more in depth before deciding they're outlawed. -- रॉ य ल ड़ का ए क्स (Talk • Contribs • UN) 23:51, November 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I'd like to point out my changed stance on the cosplayer articles (mind you, it is not because of the addition of Daniel Cattell). The cosplayers have not really been in much official media, just the fan community section of Nintendo Power. Thus, I'd be for deleting all articles but Jenni Kallberg. Before you cite Blood of the Chozo, that was strictly Metroid related and worked on during the time NoA actually did NP, while the community section stuff has surfaced post the sale of NP to FutureUS. It's also talked about yarn plushies for other series and the like. -- रॉ य ल ड़ का ए क्स (Talk • Contribs • UN) 01:07, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Going by this logic, however, articles about fansites would also be deleted, since they are not official media. Unless fansites would be made an exception. Which would be rather arbitrary. And I'd prefer not to remove those articles. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs} 01:21, November 12, 2011 (UTC)

"And I'd prefer not to remove those articles." cosplayers? Fansites? Both? Anyway, my stance on the fansites are that MDb and maybe Metroid 2002 can stay. MDb would be kept because of its unintentional appearance in the Fusion strategy guide and the fact that the site admins have interviewed people who worked with Metroid and they thus know of the MDb's existence. It was on Metroid 2002 where the term Sequence Breaking was coined (see Wikipedia). As for Metroid Metal... as awesome as they are, I'm not entirely sure as to what to do about their article. -- रॉ य ल ड़ का ए क्स (Talk • Contribs • UN) 01:26, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * The fansites ones. Also, metroid2002 was linked to in an http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2007/09/26/retro-studios-answers-the-dreaded-metroid-dread-question-and-other-prime-exclusives/ interview] with retro studios that included a question about sequence breaks. And I actually don't really like metroid metal all that much (no offense to them). But OK maybe... I just don't want to give a bunch of metroid communities the trademark Samus thumbs down. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs} 01:40, November 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * But her thumbs down is supposed to be the same as the others' thumbs up! She's joking back! [lol] -- रॉ य ल ड़ का ए क्स (Talk • Contribs • UN) 01:43, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree as was originally proposed. The list is a massive ungodly thing that will take years to work through with individual debates for each one. It was meant (as the description said) to be an inferior substitute for a policy. While it is a good place to FIND suspected irrelevant articles, it relies on individual discussions to figure out what to do with them. While the cosplayer/fansite/related debate is certainly important, it's really more regarding fanon/canon and referential content than relevancy, and I think should be discussed there. Those articles would not, however, be placed on this particular list.  "My name is  Admiral Sakai , and I approve this message."  05:48, November 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Any other thoughts? Please, by all means, participate. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs} 16:13, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree: I fully support the above guidelines. Their implementation would greatly help in reducing the number of small articles we do not need, especially those that have potential to join our Unknowns (if not already) or have little relevance to Metroid that's worthy of creating full-fledged pages.  The Ex  terminator  {ADMIN} (talk • e-mail • contribs) 01:28, November 23, 2011 (UTC) R o y b o y X (Complaints Box • Resume) 01:45, November 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment See Admiral Sakai's comment. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs} 01:47, November 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment So would you want individual debates for the fansites/cosplayers, or could we incorporate them into another part of the RfC, or what? -- R o y b o y X (Complaints Box • Resume) 01:53, November 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Either a different RfC, or individual debates. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs} 01:59, November 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment So can we consider this policy passable? -- R o y b o y X (Complaints Box • Resume) 21:23, November 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment Bump. I'd surmise that a large amount of time has passed, and that the policy can be enforced and all the respective articles deleted. However, I'd like to make special cases for Sand (not only is it an environmental element but an obstacle/hazard in SM/MP2), Blood (well, I'm not really sure but I mostly made it because it was the only examinable target in MOM to not have an article), Tree (some trees serve as gameplay elements), Industrial-grade pesticide (an actually seen substance), Waste (a game element), Ice (ditto), Prophecy of Light (a major factor in MP1's plot), Baby's particle (the whole reason for MOM's events, maybe pluralize it?), Chozo bust (unique statues everywhere there is Chozo), Hand of Ur (an attack with no real-life equivelant), Little Girl (not really sure, perhaps we can just merge most of the info into Mother Brain/MB), Zoomer (character) (a character in non-canon Metroid media that would fit under the policy), Chief Astrogation Officer (not so sure, but mentioned in MP1), Vermin (maybe make a disambig?), Cyborg (same, or describe what each specific cybernetic organism is like?), Volcano (hazard in-games), Doctor Wells (I thought I'd convinced it to be taken off the list?), Ensign (I have additional information on it), Bayonet (perhaps merge with Wrist Bayonet?), Machine Gun (not very sure, but a weapon in the game [I think]), Chairman (not sure...) and Brinstar (Adventure Mode) (we already took down the Adventure Mode page). As an additional note, the Bee Family category will have to be removed with the bee pages. -- R o y b o y X (Complaints Box • Resume) 02:05, December 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment It is, I just need to take the time to write it up. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs} 02:41, December 6, 2011 (UTC)