Talk:Samus Aran

Time in the Federation
We have some conflicting sources. Did Samus serve with Adam Malkovich on the Federation Police or the Federation Marines because I've found stuff onsite saying both. MetroidVeteran

77.110.193.136 12:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC) hmm... didn't know that there were both Polic and Marines in the Galactic Federation...

I think it'd be marines. Mostly due to the fact that Adam was "A perfect military mind" and he was her commanding officer. You don't have COs in a constabulary as far as I know. So I think whatever said the federation police was incorrect. --Squee! 03:05, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

I disagree. I've read the Metroid E-Manga, and in volume 3 of the first book, Samus distinctly says, quote: "This is the Federation Police! You are all under arrest!"

Oh, and what I came here to talk about was a possible new picture for Samus's page. It's artwork from Super Metroid, and I think it suits Samus better, as she has appeared more times like this than her more popular Metroid Prime 2 & 3 configuration. Here it is:



Of course, this picture has been shrunk considerably, so view it at full detail before you dismiss it.I didn't want to change it without a second opinion, since I might make some person with a higher rank upset. Armantula513 18:45, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Um Isnt that from the MDB? I thougt you cant put images with watermarks on themSamusiscool2 13:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Aren't the Marines inside the Federation? So technically, she worked with both. Corruption378 23:46, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

She was on the Police Force, not the marines. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 23:49, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

She was, but Adam wasn't, it the Manga when she meets adam it says about him being in the Marines (or Army) and Samus being in the police force. It is possible she could have spent time in both, after meeting Adam spend time training in the Marines, i guess we don't know until MOM comes out and we can combine sources.128.243.220.41 13:17, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Birth
Okay guys, so according to the Metroid E-Manga, the pirates initial raid on K-2L was in cosmic year 2000. Samus was three years old at the time, so I hope it's okay that I say that she was born cosmic year 1997. If anyone has any objections please tell me. Parkersvx90210 22:54, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Seems like there wouldn't be any problem with that. But it isn't clear exactly how the GF year calendar works. Just keep this in mind. A rm ant ula 513 23:13, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Crystal Flash mention warranted
I was surprised not to see Crystal Flash mentioned as a Power Suit technique given to her at a young age by the Chozo. A number of references consider it one of their greatest (if not rarely used) technological achievements.

Thoughts? Duuude007 ftw 04:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I dunno, but I'd like to see it in more games than Super Metroid (and not just 'cause it'd look so cool in 3D), simply by the nature of her suit. The whole thing apparently runs off of mass-energy conversions, if the mechanics page is to be believed, so it's not that big a stretch to make ammo to energy conversions (or vice-versa) a factor in future gameplay.

Age
How old is Samus? Gabora 00:56, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Her age during any game hasn't been revealed. Only twice in the manga during her early years. ChozoBoy 01:52, 23 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, even on the japenese website for metroid, it says her gender and name, but her age is unknown. Hellkaiserryo12 14:06, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm guessing for all of us that her age is around 22 to 32. She has to be young to look good! Corruption378 19:49, 15 April 2009


 * she is around mid-teens(at least what i think) in zero mission so she must be really young (Metroid101 02:16, October 12, 2009 (UTC))
 * ...There is no way she is in midteens. Child-labor! The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 02:47, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * By the end of Fusion she is no older than 30 but no younger than 20 from my speculations. The Exterminator 03:27, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Well, if you look on the Talk: Tallon IV page, I calculated from Chozo lore and Pirate logs of that Chozo colony’s age that Samus is roughly around 23 or so. Since the art booklet for Metroid Prime Trilogy lists the events of that game 3 years after the events of Zero Mission, she was around 20 then. And since the Pirate lore in Metroid Prime 3 say it has been 3 years since Metroid Prime, and corruption is 6 months after Echoes, she is roughly about 26 in both games. But there is no mention of years any longer between corruption and Return of Samus.Tuckerscreator 20:32, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Good, except we don't know exactly how old she is during MZM, or any story past the second chapter of the "MZM" manga. Yeah, we got some time references, but working off of a guess still makes all of the rest a guess. :( ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 23:27, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

This is just wild-goose speculation, but chozo have a much longer lifespan than humans, and she shares genes with them. Is it possible she ages at a slower rate? SeltheWolf

If she aged at a slower rate, she would be much younger. Samus, at sixteen years of age (this may be retconned now, I don't know though), was the youngest person promoted to the Federation Police. Then she left. I would say she's at least eighteen during Zero Mission, 20 during Prime, roughly 22 during Echoes, 23 during Corruption, 27 during Metroid II and Super and 29 during Fusion. Dumb idea of mine, but that's what I think. I'll just stop speculating on talk pages... -- R o y b o y X  21:55, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

I HAVE SOME EARTH-SHATTERING NEWS! I looked at Isamu Kubota on the Super Metroid staff interview on the MDb and the secret of Samus that only he knows is that she is in her late 20s. So, does anyone trust that? -- R o y b o y X  01:41, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't trust most of that type of thing, unless it was reconfirmed later. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 02:53, January 9, 2010 (UTC)

I don't know. In real life, she's about 12, in Metroid Game span, she's probably 19-45 from first to last on the timeline.--Captain Silver 06:09, January 20, 2010 (UTC) Cap ta, in Si lv er

The manga sheds some light on this. She's three at the time of K2-L's attack, 14 during the first conflict at Zebes (assuming she left the Chozo immediately after chapter 2), and the Zero Mission takes place "A few years later". That puts her between 16 and 20 by then. The timeline after that is fairly unclear, but I'd say she's in her late twenties to early thirties by Fusion by her appearance and the amount of time that had to pass over all the games. However, her being 14 while with the police conflicts with her appearance in the MOM trailer's beginning, where she looks like she's in her late teens, and the manga starts to become non-canon around chapter 14 due to inconsistencies with the game. Zeruel21 07:09, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Silence
Is samus a silent character?she never spoke in the prime series but she did in fusion.The X Reaper 62.30.45.127 17:31, 21 March 2009 (UTC) She's generally considered one, but she's got some dialogue here and there. Especially in Fusion and non-game media. Mostly, she's just the type of person who doesn't say more than they need to. ChozoBoy 18:22, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Actions speak louder than words. .  Metroidhunter32  18:32, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Samus only speaks in Super Metroid, Fusion & Zero Mission, & then only in text. The only time she has a voice is in Brawl, because when she is in her Zero Suit, she speaks in all her taunts. RoyboyX 20:04, 21 March 2009 (UTC)RoyboyXRoyboyX 20:04, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

She does do screams of pain and death, but i wouldnt count that.The X Reaper 62.30.45.127 22:48, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Just think of Link Gabora 14:17, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Though non-canon, Super Smash Bros. Brawl gives her vocal dialogue in her taunts and victory poses. Kaihedgie 21:33, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Why do people always use Link as an example of a silent protagonist? He had text-only dialogue in Zelda II, voiced dialogue (albeit only one or two lines) in WW, and tons of voiced dialogue in the CDI games--but even if you discount those, he still has his previous lines. Dazuro 21:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC) I didn't know that there was any CDI games about Link! But let's drop Link for now.

Corruption378 01:38, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

My guess is that it is easier to market the games because they don't have to make her talk in diffrent languages. User:TheEpicMetroidGeek 15:15, 13 June 2009.

i believe she does talk in other m as i can hear the line "Hi, i'm samus aran." --The x reaper 19:43, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, on YouTube, I saw a trailer for a Metroid Prime Trilogy movie, and she talked in it. But it was an April Fool joke, like the Zelda movie was. Click on this if you want to check it out.  -- Cap ta in  Si lv er  07:57, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Boyfriends?
Samus has never had anybody close enough to a friend, much less a lover. When is she going to have a relationship or something? Corruption378 19:51, 15 April 2009

it is POSSIBLE that samus is in a relationship(maybe even kids) but she just keeps her personal life and job seperate


 * That's not a question of when, but if. Samus doesn't seem the dating type at all. Even if she were a bit lonely, I don't think that her solitary and abrasive personality would attract any potential lovers. Besides, Link may have Zelda and Mario may have Peach, but neither "couples" are said to actually be in a relationship. Armantula513 [ADMIN] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 02:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I can understand solitary but how is samus abrasive?

Well, my feelings on the matter is this: while it doesn't seem very likely, it's still possible. I can't completely rule out that she may have had a relationship at one time or that she'll have one in the future. I believe Samus and Adam might've had a relationship. Of course, that's just speculation. Since we know so little about what she does when she isn't bounty hunting, it's hard to say. Of course, this is just my opinion, but nothing's impossible. DesertLynx83 18:02, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * What bout Armstrong, aint he a likly canadate Clarkmaster 16:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Samus definitely doesn't have a 'thing' for Armstrong at all!I must agree with DesertLynx though, Samus and Adam were probably dating in between games or something, maybe secretly!

She probably DOESN'T have a crush on Sylux, let alone Spire. TantrumDog 02:24, December 2, 2009 (UTC) TantrumDog
 * Yeah, Armstrong was too annoying. Who knows? Only time will tell. DesertLynx83 00:06, 11 July 2009 (UTC)


 * ) All the males of her species are likely scared of her. And as for kids, I think having the metroid/chozo DNA in the mix might make mitosis kinda hard. Just sayin'. SeltheWolf 21:52, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

I'd really have to say no on this. I couldn't imagine Adam and Samus secretly dating. I doubt Samus would have much fun (besides, what would they do?), and Adam seemed close to Samus, but far enough to not be in a romantic relationship. Although, I did see this funny YouTube video of Samus trying to get a date with every GF Trooper she saw...XD--Captain Silver 06:26, January 20, 2010 (UTC)User:Captain Silver

What was the video called?-- Deku tulla  ZM  16:21, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Um...well, I remember i was searching for "Metroid Prime glitch", and I saw that, but I don't remember what the movie was called. The voice of Samus was just the voice of the person playing, although there was one part where Samus used the Grapple Beam, and the Indiana jones came on. More of a blooper than a glitch.-- Cap ta in  Si lv er  05:54, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, I said "the Indian Jones came on". I meant, "the Indian Jones music came on". You can tell I use to go on YouTube tons, huh?-- Cap ta in  Si lv er  05:58, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

Picture Choice and Coming Sweep
'''THE VOTING PERIOD IS OVER. PLEASE DO NOT ALTER THESE COMMENTS OR VOTES.'''

This article is starting to get really full of clutter, so I'm working on a "sweep" of this page similar to what I did on the Space Pirate article previously. The sweep should be completed by the end of this week or the next. But I'm considering changing the main picture for this article and I need your opinion on this. Should we keep the picture the same, or should we change it? I have my top choices below and you guys can vote on which one you want for the main picture.

Candidate 1: Samus with the Paralyzer. This one gives a pretty good closeup of her face and she appears smoothly drawing out her gun and getting ready for action.



Candidate 2: Samus in her Varia Suit. This one does good job of depicting her as she appears to the public.



Candidate 3: Samus in the Subspace Emissary. This gives a better closeup than the first and actually gives her some expression but is unfortunately hampered by the annoying subtitle. If this one is chosen, I will need a volunteer to take an identical photograph of the frame just before the subtitle appears.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/ssb/images/a/a5/Subspace_zerosuit_samus.PNG

Candidate 4 is below in the comments section and was requested by Chozoboy. It gives very dramatic look to both of Samus's identities, both inside and outside the suit.

Candidate 5 is below in the comments section and was requested User:Hellkaiserryo12. It depicts Samus at the endof corruption and shows her at a very personal and bittersweet time of her life.

So what is your pick? User:Tuckerscreator 20:40 27 April 2009

Picture comments and votes
How about an image of her in the suit but helmetless? Either from Prime, Melee, or Corruption. Zero Suit Samus's picture works for the Zero Suit article, but not so much for this one. It's only been in one game as a major part, after all. And the Varia Suit would obviously be the better choice for this page--since it's her most common suit. But a combination seems the best option. A helmetless suited one shows both her famous design and her true face. Dazuro 05:08, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I was going to suggest an image that shows both. Maybe 4, 5, or 6 would be appropriate lower in the article, but 8 would make a good main image. The Gravity Suit is a concern, though, but it is shadowed and the same shape as the Varia, in any case. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 16:36, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I do agree that a picture of Samus helmetless would make a far better image. I reccomend the one from Corruption because it is the most recent and up to date. As for using an ending image from Metroid Zero Mission, the problem is that those are illustrations, not photographs, and are going to make the article feel less professional.

Dazuro, you said that Samus's Zero Suit pictures would be better for the Zero suit article. I personally disagree, because, the article is about the Zero suit, not about Samus when she is wearing it, and the above pictures only depict her from the head up. I feel that third one is perfectly fine for this article(minus the subtitle) because it's important to remember it is truly Samus beneath the helmet, not solely when she wears it. Because of this, I often feel a little confused and annoyed when people refer to Samus in her Zero Suit as though she is a separate entity. User:Tuckerscreator 10:37 28 April 2009


 * I would prefer the one i took but that's just me. I feel it should be a picture from Metroid game and not Brawl. Hellkaiserryo12 17:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

How would using an illustration be less professional? Metroid is not just a 3D series. There have been more 2D ones than 3D. Plenty of articles, thus, have no 3D renders to choose from--and some that do have renders still use official art. I personally believe that art is superior to a render or a sprite in this case, because a drawing represents both of her incarnations, while a sprite would alienate the Primes, and a model would alienate the rest. Smash would just be way off. Oh, and Hellkaiser? FYI, that's the exact same model they used in Corruption. So it sort of is from a Metroid game. Dazuro 18:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

No, I meant using the image of Samus in her varia suit from Corruption, i never said anything about Zero Suit samus. Hellkaiserryo12 18:31, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

I like 3, but I think that 1 should apply to Zero Suit Samus. I don't like opening that page to look at Samus' rear(sorry!) Corruption378 01:37, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Note by Tuckerscreator, on May 1 2009 19:12: I have since changed my stance on the section below regarding the request for the Zero Mission ending pictures.

Uh-Oh, I feel the winds of another DEEbate coming!

The reason why I don't want to us an illustration is because it gives less of an air of professionalism. Say, if, on Wookiepedia, someone had the photograph of Anakin Skywalker in Episode 3 replaced with a picture of him from the animated Clone Wars TV show. While official art and illustrations are perfectly all right in the article, they tend to look a bit tackier when they are the main picture. However, you pointed out that many articles here use offical art as the main image. I would not object to official art as the main image if it meets these criteria:

1. The art depicts the subject as it appears in the game.

2. The art shows the entire subject, or as least all that is necessary.

3. The art was created for the purposes of informing on the subject.

4. Any photographs of the subject do not meet the above criteria.

I would howver, object to using illustrations if:

1. The art does not depict the sunject as it appears in the finished game.

2. The art does not depict enough of the subject to be educational.

3. There is a better photograph that meets the above criteria.

The main reason why I would rather not use the ending images from Zero Mission are:

1. Samus has changed a lot ever since those pictures were released. Though Zero Mission did begin to narrow down her appearance, it has still varied since, though I think it is starting to be cemented with the release of Brawl and Corruption.

2. The Zero Mission illustrations are heavily stylized and do not depict Samus as she is treated and acts in the games.

3. A photograph gives greater professionalism to the article, as others.

But let's head back to the subject. I don't decide on a picture by myself, and it will be even worse if eveyone just submits their own pictures and doesn't bother to decide on any. I need the cooperation of other users here. Please vote on what picture you want to be the new main aticle image. If feel the above are insufficient and have a better idea, then you can submit a new picture, but do so only if you don't think any of the above are any good. When the votes stop coming in, I will tally them up and choose the most voted as the new main article photograph.User:Tuckerscreator 18:57 28 April 2009

"1. Samus has changed a lot ever since those pictures were released. Though Zero Mission did begin to narrow down her appearance, it has still varied since, though I think it is starting to be cement with the release of Brawl and Corruption." What are you talking about? Brawl and Corruption used entirely different designs. Brawl's was nearly identical to ZM's, but with the helmet-pipes from Prime. Corruption/Echoes/Hunters' models are considerably different, and while they're consistant among those three games, it hardly counts overall. Dazuro 02:04, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Please, Dazuro, let's not head into a debate here, because it will likely take up much of the page, and we've already both stated our opinions pretty well for others to consider on their own. The point is, which picture would you rather choose as the new main article image? User:Tuckerscreator 19:07 28 April 2009

Opinions? It's not an opinion. It's a simple fact--Brawl shows it one way, Echorruptionters is another thing entirely, and you say "look, her design is stable"--which is false. I'm not trying to get into a debate, I'm trying to illustrate that you're basing your judgment on a fallacy, so that we can address things properly. Dazuro 02:19, 29 April 2009 (UTC)



Daz, we know what you mean, just try hard to make sure that we don't enterpret your words as aggressive.

My vote goes to this one on the right. Shows the suit, the face, much more vibrant than MP3, action/fire/Metroid elements, etc. Sans the text, if you can keep that in mind. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 02:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

In that case, Chozoboy, if you'd rather have that one, do you think we can crop it so that the text doesn't show up? If it is voted for, I'll use it, but we need to have a majority vote first, and so far only two people, you and Hellkaiserryo, have voted and both for different images. User:Tuckerscreator 19:28 28 April 2009

The ZM one gets my vote, as long as the text is cropped. And I fail to see how you could interpret "I'm trying to illustrate that you're basing your judgment on a fallacy, so we can address things properly" as aggressive... Dazuro 02:39, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * 1) ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 02:50, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't need to crop it if removing the text is the goal.

That looks very impressive, with all the text gone. But I might still like it to be cropped a little, maybe to Samus's mid-shins, because it may cause some problems with the opening text if the picture is too long. User:Tuckerscreator 19:55 27 April 2009


 * Whoah-hey! That page right there has a nice image of Samus in her armor without her helmet. Anyone in favor of that one? 'Cuz I sure am. Dazuro 02:52, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Not really. Her face isn't very clear in that image User:Tuckerscreator 19:59 27 April 2009
 * Hm, true... damn, and here I thought I found a perfect compromise. Way to rain on my parade. :D What about a shot of the Melee trophy? Though that's not from a real Metroid... Prime and Corruption both end with armored helmetless Samus though, wouldn't one of those work? Dazuro 03:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I've never seen a picture of the helmetless Samus trophy in Melee so I can't say anything about it. User:Tuckerscreator 21:56 27 April 2009


 * How about one of these? http://mdb.classicgaming.gamespy.com/mp/art/samus_face.jpg

I definitely vote for the ZM one. Not only does it show her in and out of the armor, but it's rather impressive looking. The only problem some people might have is all of the smoke and fire being distracting, but I don't think it's much of an issue. Zeruel21 14:34, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Varia by far. It is Samus. Just don't know how to explain it better than that.  Metroidhunter32  20:25, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Varia, but not the one displayed. It is already the main picture of the Varia Suit article, which i think it suits better. Leave it with me, I'll find an image for Samus with Varia suit, no helmet. Of course, users don't have to choose that one if they prefer another one. Hellkaiserryo12 20:35, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Dazuro, about the Prime concept art of her face, I'd like to use use them but not for the main image. I think they might be more useful in a section within the article describing Samus's concept and creation. User:Tuckerscreator 12:46 30 April 2009 If we end up using the second one - of her in the Varia Suit, we'll need to change the Varia Suit picture. We can't use a picture on two separate articles!

How about this one? it was tough to get but i think it is good. Hellkaiserryo12 12:24, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Good choice, Hellkaiserryo!. I'll have this up as a candidate. Seeing as we now have wide variety of images at our disposal, I am officially closing any new requests for pictures now. Future votes, please, no more new submissions, instead choose from these five.

That was a great scene, but I don't think it would work for the main image because it isn't fullbody. Isn't there a frame in that scene that was? It'd work for the article in general, though. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 17:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

If we have the image at full body, it will take the focus of the picture off of Samus's emotions at the time. I also don't want the picture to be too large, which is why I've aimed from mostly square images. I think it's fine the way it is, but nobody has to vote for it if they don't want it. User:Tuckerscreator 11:42 01 May 2009

I could try, but it is difficult. This paticular image is from IGN,(with the watermark removed) as i was unable to take screenshots to a satifactory quality. Besides, this image won't be permanent, we can always change it afterwards. At the moment, this voting section dosen't seem to be very popular, so I'd say Tuckerscreator should choose the best image for the page. He is the one offering to rejuvinate the page after all. Hellkaiserryo12 19:29, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I've spread the word amongst all the featured users; it still remains for them to log in. I'd rather not choose the picture by myself, because the one I'd like(the picture of Samus from Brawl) has only been voted for by one person: me. So I'd rather leave this open and wait to see if the other users I contacted will choose to vote as well. User:Tuckerscreator 13:13 01 May 2009

I got another one. This one is artwork from Corruption that I peiced together from zoom-ins. It dosen't really represent Samus as she actually appears, and is in black and white, but it could go in the gallery? Hellkaiserryo12 11:53, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Really? That is from Corruption? I don't recall it at all. Any official media can be used in the gallery, though. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 17:32, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Definately the one from Zero Mission. Very dramatic. Squee master 18:10, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Hellkaiserryo, I have removed the Corruption artwork you added because, as I said yesterday, we have enough pictures now, all a wide variety of chioces, and if we keep adding submissions, then we will never be able to decide on a new main image. User:Tuckerscreator 14:22 03 May 2009

Voting so far
Samus with Paralyzer: 0

Samus with Varia Suit: 2

Samus in Subspace Emmisary: 1

Ending image from Zero Mission: 5

Samus at Elysia: 1

Calling all users! The votes will remain open until next Saturday or so. Please leave a comment in the section above after you vote so that we may verify who is voting for which picture. Any other comments or concerns must go in the section above. User:Tuckerscreator 19:45 28 April 2009

Results are in!
The votes have been counted and you'll be surprised at to which won! Okay, you won't. By an unanimous vote of 5 by Chozoboy, Dazuro, Zeruel21, Squeemaster, and Crystal Lucario, we have our new main article image!: The 15% ending image from Metroid Zero Mission! Thank you for all your votes, this has been greatly appreciated. The sweep for this page will likely be finished by June. Thank you and good day. User:Tuckerscreator 12:58 09 May 2009

Comments

 * Uh, dude? It's not really unanimous when 4 people voted for other images. >_> Just for the record. Dazuro 20:12, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

(sighs) Five people voted for the same image, Dazuro. Of the other images, only two were actually voted by different people. And as a matter of fact, the Elysia pic and the Varia suit pic were both voted by HellKaiserryo. He got a double vote because he was the one to suggest the Elysia pic. User:Tuckerscreator 13:22 09 May 2009
 * What's your point? "Unanimous" means that everyone voted the same way. You had five people for one image, and four for other ones. 5 vs 4 is not the same as 5 vs 0. Dazuro 20:26, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Five people voted for a single image. The closest any of the other images got was two. That's all. User:Tuckerscreator 13:31 09 May 2009
 * Of course. That image clearly won. It just didn't win unanimously, that's all. Dazuro 20:32, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Close enough. User:Tuckerscreator 13:34 09 May 2009


 * Before you read my comments: I am by no means attempting to change the outcome or how you eventually decide what picture to use. I am merely injecting my personal opinion from an outsider's perspective.  I really think this whole vote thing is null because this is really a matter of preference.  The most logical choice for the main image would be one of Samus in her most common or most known form - the Varia Suit.  And in my book, logic trumps preference any day.  -- FastLizard4 {ADMIN} (Talk&bull;Contribs&bull;Logs) 01:53, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

I see your point, FastLizard, but the reason why I disagree is because we have remember something. Samus's identity is not the suit itself, it is her, beneath the suit. It is sort of a Batman and Bruce Wayne sort of thing. She is in a sense two identies, one in her suit and one of out. Out of the suit is her first identity but of course her in her suit is also an important part of her life. The reason why the ending picture from Zero Mission gets my blessing is because it points out that there are, in fact, two sides of Samus, both of them equally important. User:Tuckerscreator 16:12 10 May 2009

I agree, and stated that was an issue when I posted it, however shouldn't we be challanging the misconseption that Samus is a Varia Suit? Certainly, it represents her and is significant to her (her "gift" from Grey Voice that she is rarely seen without), but I completely agree that we should determine and make clear, to those who are rightfully skeptical, what is representative of the character, and then mind that we have seen the MZM image is popular and eye-catching.

To me, the important factor for changing the image is the duality. Last time I checked, there was maybe one image of Samus without the Suit on this page, and I'd really like to draw on the "Batman" aspect that was raised earlier. The first chapter of the manga really questions her identity in a magnificent way, and the duality is brought up frequently later on. I also like the idea of surprizing the reader upon arrival. This is the page for this wiki and I feel it should be dynamic and the viewer should be greeted with something a bit more mysterious and dynamic, as opposed to what they'd expect. Like I said before, the Varia is significant and should be the next image from the top when not the first, but I do like the idea of presenting the darkened Gravity Suit, as it does show the variable nature of the Power Suit and represnts a bit of "finality" in that it is the best suit in some games. This reasoning is why I am tending to diverge from the current image. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 04:41, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Illegal and wrong.
Do you think that Samus would even look like that? Watch the video and tell me of your opinion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL-mR79GErU

Corruption378 22:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

No but that video is awsome.  Metroidhunter32  23:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Corruption378, we are on a Talk page, not a forum. This area is for discussing how to improve the article and you are disrupting that, right now. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 00:19, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Samus would kill master cheif any day. No, I dont think she would look like that (kinda Asian looking) and her varia suit looks retarded. SA-X96 23:24, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

What do you mean "disrupting" do you know how much crap is on all these talk pages for their so called "improving" the article page their on. Don't even start to critize others because you post as much junk as everyone else. (Omegafusiontroid 22:20, May 14, 2010 (UTC)).

Article Breakup
Anyone here think we should break up the article biography part into sections, such as into early childhood, time as Federation Police member, etc... though not with those exact names for each title? Dark Ridley 18:51, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Take a look at my talk page for a discussion on this, and yes! ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 19:38, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Appearances in other series
Was Samus supposed to appear in the Wii version of Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, cause I found this video showing her in it. Apparently she and Link were to appear in the Wii version, but due to time constraints they were put into the PS2 demo version. This apparently did not go well with Nintendo and they had the developers remove them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HteSsMM_ci0&feature

Skip intro to :24, and to see demo of Samus in action, skip to 1:05, though their is no sound. She apparently uses moves from Metroid Prime.

I just wanna know whether or not anyone can back up this info. Dark Ridley 23:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I saw this on GoNintendo awhile ago and added it to this page. If you already know, then what are you looking for? ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 07:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Wasn't sure if this was actually real or someone was a really good modder. Dark Ridley 12:25, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

That is always a real possibility. I wondered why there was no Mario. I mean, this is a three-person team that you assemble in the game.

Also, the narrator in that video pulled the story out of their ass. That was all pretty much speculation. I don't think Nintendo ever gave out that kind of permission and I hear the game didn't turn out too great, anyway. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 16:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Categories
If Samus now has Metroid DNA(no matter how little it is), then shouldn't she be featured in the Metroid category? It would make sense.

Corruption378 03:42, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

I added that awhile ago, but somebody changed it. Dunno. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 07:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Accent
Which comic was that? ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 19:17, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * In the NP comic she uses slang such as "pardner", and BotC's intro flat-out says she "drawls" in her speech. I seem to recall her using slang like that in Captain N as well at times, but that might just be wishful thinking (meh, an accent makes her more interesting IMO). Either way, it's in two appearances for sure, so while it may need rewording, it's worth including. Dazuro 19:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I thought that the NP comics are totally non-canon, as are the Captain N episodes. As a result, we shouldn't metion them. She doesn't have any accent in the original version of the manga, nor in the translation. Zeruel21 20:47, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I think I've made some pretty compelling arguments in the past that those are all canon. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 20:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Sans Cap. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 20:50, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Some of the NP are definitely more in line with the normal continuity than others, so I guess that is true. I've just always looked at them as being random people from NP coming up with random stories. It's really hard to tell what we should take as canon and what we shouldn't...Zeruel21 21:26, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

That is why I always say that it isn't our job to tell the reader what is canon and what isn't, we are just presenting all of the information available to allow them to come to their own conclusions. The fact is that the Valiant comic gave us things like Samus's background in the Federation Police Force. The NP comic gave us K-2L, Old Bird, Samus being raised by the Chozo, etc. The recent manga pretty much completely foreshadowed everything in MZM. I don't have any doubt about these media because they have all influeneced the games. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 21:38, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

But what about Brawl and the Prime games. Samus doesn't seem to have a accent there. [User:Tuckerscreator]] 20:53 15 May 2009
 * Of course they're not canon. They're all just silly ridiculous sidestories that happen to star Samus in other continuities. But this is the Metroid Wiki--we have to cover everything official Metroid here, canon or otherwise. Come on, you honestly gonna say that MP2's multiplayer or Pinball are "in-universe" canon? Of course not. Neither are Blood of the Chozo, the NP comic (overall), or Captain N. We still need to cover them. Dazuro 01:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Dazuro, I just explained how they are canon... If you are going to lead editors to believe otherwise, we expect a better rebuttal. The fact is that some official media are obviously influencing later works, while some are not obvious. You and I do not get to decide what is canon, but some of these media are, undeniably. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 09:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * What? They're not canon. Aspects from them later got assimilated into the real story, but as a whole, Samus went to Zebes alone without Houston, the infant Metroid sacrificed itself to power up Samus--he was not shot to death by a fat man... etc. Dazuro 16:39, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

When she talks in the Other M trailer it doesn't sound like she has an accent. So wouldn't that mean she doesn't have an accent regardless of what the NP comics say?

By the way (way late), I think she only says it as a joke with Houston. Something like "I'm not your partner, pardner." ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 23:04, October 8, 2009 (UTC)


 * I like how some people can infer she's got an accent from written text. :P SteveZombie 23:29, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

I don't. That user gave us a lot of unneccesary trouble. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 14:48, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Bounty Hunter
If she's a bounty hunter, then how come we don't see her taking any bounties? I would think that, even though she is employed by the Federation, she would still live up to her profession. The game wouldn't even have to change that much; it could have a bounty-hunting collection system like Star Wars: Bounty Hunter, although that would mean adding some more enemies.

Corruption378 01:34, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that the simplest answer can be found by looking at real life. Take bounty hunters in the United States as an example. Bounty hunters (such as Dog) don't collect anything more than a sum of money from the government upon catching a criminal. Likewise, Samus is probably paid by the Federation after completing a mission. Indeed, the term "bounty" in the context of crime fighting is the reward set by someone if one catches a criminal. -- FastLizard4 {ADMIN} (Talk&bull;Contribs&bull;Logs) 06:07, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

she probably would have killed space pirates for free(but when you can get paid doing something you like...) But if she is still called a "bounty hunter", and just gets paid for doing her job(which isn't bringing people in), then why is she called a bounty hunter? Shouldn't there be even one game where Samus isn't defending a Federation planet from Space Pirates, and just have her living up to her name as the "galaxy's best bounty hunter?"

Invader Zim 17:23, 14 May 2010

Well in MPH didn't she technically live up to her name as she went there with other hunter competition.

Corruption378 17:11, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

(P.S. I still understand your point, FastLizard, but Samus is being paid for her job, not by bringing people in.)

Who says she doesn't? It's not that hard to imagine, she asked to come in and save the day, she does it, and the credit is transfered to her 'electronically' (digitally might be more appropriate but it sounds wrong) after the game ends.

She is more mercenary than bounty hunter. Eather that or she is a differant kind of bounty hunter.(Quadraxis Prime 23:58, September 25, 2009 (UTC))

Pyonchi?
As far as I can tell, there's no mention of her pet on the entire page. I'd add it myself but I'm not extremely clear on the situation with that thing--I love the manga in a lot of ways, but I have real trouble following manga-style storytelling for some reason. Either way, I think it's notable.Dazuro 16:36, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Certainly. That would best be part of the History of Samus Aran page that we ought to be churning up soon. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 18:25, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I'll be sure to add Ponchii in there as soon as I get this sweep finished. It's still coming! User:Tuckerscreator 12:33 17 May 2009

Sweet. Can't wait to review it so we can get this thing up! It'll make Samus's page a lot less wall-o'-texty, too. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 10:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Before adding this to any article, we need a consistent spelling. Dazuro spelled out "Pyonchi" and Tuckerscreator spelled out "Ponchii". Both spellings, unfortunately, are probably correct. Except one is translated unofficially. I would say that the spelling to used should be the one that appears in the Zero Mission comic official translation; that would be Pyonchi as seen here on the Metroid Database. The other translations could be included in the trivia section, just as the Maru-Mari is on the Morph Ball trivia section. Bob Chao 02:59, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

I'll make sure to be sure to use that spelling, then. The new and improved Samus Aran page is 75% completed and is progressingly nicely. Thanks for the note.--Tuckerscreator 04:44, 10 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Anytime, glad I could help ;) Bob Chao 22:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

One minor correction I need to make. Chozoboy, you're reffering the Samus Aran bio as though it will be a separate page called History of Samus Aran. I think we should just keep the bio within her page and just trim as needed. Remember I'm fixing the whole page, not just the bio.--Tuckerscreator 01:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Fixing the page is great, but I'm under the impression that her history is as detailed as any other in the series. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 00:05, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Even so, it feels unneccessary to create a separate page just for her biography. If you look at Wookiepedia,the entire character's bio is kept within a single article, and is simply trimmed as needed. If we take out the bio here, it will make the current article really small. So let's just trim as needed.--Tuckerscreator 00:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd probably give a brief history and a more detailed one on a separate page, but its your call. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 00:49, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm not going to put aboslutely EVERYTHING. I'm going to have a link to the game it is reffering to so that one can see a more detailed bio for that specific time period there. That's not to say that I'm not going too flesh out the bio, but I'll have more information on the game's plot itself.--Tuckerscreator 05:15, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Sup fellas, Agent r here and you probobaly already saw it but I added a bit about Pyonchi in the early parts of her Bio. but I feel he should have more, though he may not seem like much, Pyonchi did comfort Samus after Ridleys fleet left and before the chozo came and he was often around when there was trouble or Samus needed support, hes like a family member and likley one of her best friends, I even have a fanfic chapter about him on the Metroid fanon wiki titled Agent B where he works as a spy for the G.FED. like in Phineas and Ferb which would be supported by the fact that he detected and warned the chairman about the mimic in the flowers and karate chopped the bully and he dosent talk, just makes odd sounds, I know hes not a real agent but its a nice dream.

So whaddaya say he does seem like samus BFF so he should be recocnized as more of a character in the Bio.Agent r 01:33, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Almost Done
The sweep for Samus Aran's page is virtually completed! Last things on my list:


 * Add all the images.


 * Fix the list with all the out-of-universe appearances.


 * Put all the proper citations.

Are there any particular things anybody thinks needs to be added? Also, I have two questions:


 * Would it be okay if I were to put up the current version now and then add all the images in one final edit. since I'm doing this on Microsoft, it gets annoyoing to have to constatly cut and paste the document here to see how the image looks, then transfer it back there.


 * Can somebody do the manga portion of her lifestory for me? This is the one part I didn't do and it will take me far too long to go through it again.

Thanks.--Tuckerscreator 19:46, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Here we go...
New version going up. Sorry that there's no images yet but I'll fix that in a bit. I would appreciate if someone could write in the parts regarding the manga's storyline, because I've gotten too lazy to do it myself, but if nobody does, then I'll do it myself.--Tuckerscreator 16:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It looks really good and a lot better organized than before. However, I did notice some spelling errors, which I fixed. However, I might've missed a few. DesertLynx83 00:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

don't know if someone already mentioned this but she should be in the "metroid" category. y'know, after fusion.
 * To my understanding, it was for a time, but then it was moved out. DesertLynx83 18:32, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I had put it there a while ago, but someone removed it. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 18:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

I think she definitely needs to be in that category, if not only because of Fusion then also because of the whole "ultimate warrior" thing--she inherited the Chozo legacy, and stands as their final 'metroid.' Then, on top of that, she ends up actually getting Metroid DNA infused into her. No way is that coincidence, IMO. Dazuro 18:55, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

With this logic, wouldn't she also be in the Chozo category since she is part Chozo as well as part Metroid and part human? DesertLynx83 19:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

yes

Article is missing references
This article is missing its list of references. Gary King 02:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

I didn't want to make a new section for this, but can we please fix some of the grammatical errors here? specifically the sentence "Previously, Samus had been previously depicted with a ponytail in Metroid Prime and (briefly) at the end of Metroid II and Super Metroid." is bothersom 168.28.38.136 17:39, September 17, 2009 (UTC)

Height
I agree that 6'3 is pretty tall for a female, but assuming that chozo DNA attributed to it is pushing things. I know a few girls who are over 6 foot, including myself. It isn't uncommon in certain parts of the United States, even though the majority are around 5'6. If she was 7'6, that would be miraculously tall, but 6'3 is just tall. 74.194.224.252 05:07, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, that height is with the suit on. I think that she is 5'10" without it... You're pretty tall, though! ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 05:57, September 6, 2009 (UTC)

That's assuming the varia suit shoulderpads are at least 3 inches over her head and her soles are about 2 inches thick. And by the way, I'm 6'1. You rarely see that in Europe, apparently, because a lot of Europeans freak out about it. 74.194.224.252 02:13, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Adding to my argument, her helmet would have to be 2 inches thick and her soles would have to be 3 inches thick the other way. That's the width of a Gamecube disk, but she doesn't look like she's walking on platforms. The suit adds a lot of girth, but probably no more than 3 inches height, and that's pushing it for a skin tight, high mobility battle suit. 74.194.224.252 02:21, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Looking into it, I can't find that height that I'd recalled (5'10") anywhere. I did find two sources with the other height, though. The MII manual and the SM guide, both putting her at 6'3" (neither specify what is being measured, but at 198 lbs, I'm guessing it is probably the suit). The guide illustrates her suit next to this (in a semi-transparent image) with a thin helmet, but has about 1 1/2 - 2 inches under her feet. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 05:39, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

That means she's probably 6'2 or 6'1. Her soles are about as big as common shoe soles. Anyway, we're off-topic. Why should Chozo DNA be credited for her height? 74.194.224.252 19:39, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I don't know that it should, necessarily. Grey was a relatively tall Chozo, but he's still a bit shorter than Samus. Who knows? I'm taller than my parents. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 22:08, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Actually, they are pretty much exactly the same size. Maybe she did? ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 22:22, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

I'll help explain, since I wrote 90% of the article including that part. I figured that 6' 3" was her natural height because I did research into average height of women, and 198 pounds was a consistent weight for a 6' 3" woman. It's unlikely that 198 is the weight of her suit, because it behaves like it is heavy, like sinking in water, or requiring boosters to jump 2/3 of Samus's usual jump height. But the reason why I suggessted that Chozo DNA might have accounted for it was because the weight of a 6' 3" woman was actually not found by me, as few ever actually get that tall. But the average weight ratios was going up at a constant rate so 198 seemed perfectly normal for her. Maybe she just actually was going to grow up to be that tall anyway, but since we already know she's undergone heavy enhancement, her height too seems like it could be a part of it. sorry for any confusion.--Tuckerscreator 19:55, September 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * well for hybrids of animals in real life never stop growing because there glands in thier brains are totally ruined because of the DNA. Samus's Height might be referencing that but because of it being in th future it just altered her height rather than never stop growing.(Metroid101 20:15, September 23, 2009 (UTC))


 * Samus dosen't look notciably tall in her Zero Suit appearances in Echoes and Corruption. And the same for Brawl. Note that Samus' height in her Varia Suit has changed over the years, the shoulders used to be bigger than they are now, so that would add height. The Varia Suit in Echoes and Corruption is notciably smaller and more slender than Prime's. Hell Kaiser ryo12 [ ADMIN ] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 20:42, September 23, 2009 (UTC)

We never get to see her suitless in the presence of other people, except Space Pirate are already 10 feet tall, so who knows. But I've kept that sentence speculatory, because it is only a hypothesis, and there is no real in-game evidence.Tuckerscreator 20:03, September 24, 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, I just remembered something. In most of the Varia Suit's appearences, the Shoulders are above the head. They could have a bearing on her height. Hell Kaiser ryo12 [ ADMIN ] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 20:35, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Samus Aran Profile
Hello metroid fans. Everybody know Samus has 190 cm tall and 90 kg (198 lbs ) of weight. The question is ? That's with her body suits or not. First we talk about her weight. If her weight is 198 lbs including her body suit, how much weight the body suits itself? We can assume its about 200 lbs. Iron man armor can be a good example and comparison because its weight 200 lbs, you can see it on marvel universe. The most light weight for heavily and complex body armor. So although Samus's body suit looks more complex, we can assume her body suit its about 200 lbs. Next we can assume how much her weight without her suit, the answer is: 198 - 200 = -2 lbs, Its doesn't make sense! Second is her height, its quite possible if she had 190 cm tall. Lot of female basketball player have body height like that, even more. The result she is 190cm tall and 90kg weight without her suit. Maybe some people think if she fat or overweight? Of course NOT, because she is like a superathlete with solid muscle, still looks sexy and not bulky like bodybuilder. Anyway she is bounty hunter not model. That's the unique from Nintendo, when others show female characters with skinny and underweight of their profile. Nintendo show something different.

The Chozo are not limited to the same materials as some rich playboy, you don't account for the possibility the suit either A) Is made from an effective light weight material not found or created on earth or B) uses special technology to counter it's natural weight.

But it still seems very heavy. For example, it doesn't float in water, and requires in the back to jump 2/3 of Samus's normal jumping ability. Actually, the Metroid II game mnual, which lists her height and weight, doesn't say whether this is or witout her suit but it probably is without it, because I've done some reasearch and 198 lbs is a consistent weight for a woman who is 6' feet 3" inches.--Tuckerscreator 19:49, September 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, look at her in Corruption and Brawl. That sexy body does not weigh 90 kg. I think I'll go for A. The Chozo had a lot of technology, so they probably made the Power Suit lighter than it appears. It still sinks in water because it also has Samus's weight in those 90 kg. Finally, it has to be light for Samus to jump and move around.

Seeing as its Chozo technology it probably has a movement system built in besides everything she gains throughout games,like her back has that jet pack thing that probably helps movement,but sinking in water probably just means what the person above me said(sorry if its rude i didn't say his/her name).


 * Don't worry, just sign using the tildes.

198 lbs (90 kg) is a perfectly normal weight for a woman who is 6’ 3.” You completely ignored my argument about the suit’s weight. Just because Samus on her one weighs 198lbs doesn’t mean she will sink, there are plenty of people of her height and weight that float fine in water! Her suit is clearly the heavy one because you can see it restricting her jumping in Zero mission, before you lose it she only jump about 7 feet in air without Hi-jump and after you lose it, she can jump up to 20 feet on her own! Samus is clearly the one who weighs 198, not the suit.Tuckerscreator 20:27, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * Calm down. Samus isn't that tall anyway, Brawl (while not canon to Metroid), shows her at an average height compared to Link. Here is an image of size comparison. I have heard that link is about 5 foot or so. Notice Samus is standing upright, Link is slightly crouched. The other characters are also something to go by, if anyone knows or can find out their height? We use the metric system over here, so you can draw your own conclusions. Wait... did I just contradict myself about Samus being small? Well you can decide for yourself, this image is some more fuel for your discussion. I have also heard the model used in Brawl is the same size as the one in Corruption. Either way the information you are dealing with is dated, so its probably not that accurate. Hell Kaiser ryo12 [ ADMIN ] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 20:48, October 12, 2009 (UTC)


 * If Samus was anywhere near that height her body proportions would make it really obvious. They don't. SteveZombie

The problem with this is that the characters/stages/etc. aren't proportioned correctly for gameplay purposes. Maybe someone could compare Sam with/without the suit, though... ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 23:30, October 12, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, how about her without the suit? Samus with her suit next to Zero Suit Samus would also help.


 * Frankly, it couldn't be too much. If you look at the Brawl pic above, she'd have to fill out that helmet, which is the peak of height. That leaves only the feet as places that could extend her height any more. this old SM art shows that the feet are, in fact, most of the additional height she gets, and it isn't a whole lot. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 17:06, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

1. Sorry if I sounded mad in that last post, but I was just annoyed that they had completely ignored my argument (re-read it, they do.) I’m not sure if testing character size on Brawl will do much difference, with characters often having to be re-sized, the most famous example being Capt. Olimar of course, and smaller examples like Yoshi, who is bigger in Brawl than in Melee. (If you say Link’s 5 feet, I believe you, though I don’t where they’ve listed that information before, and it seems REALLY short for 17 year-old!) I’m just going along by observation, as 198 lbs is a perfectly healthy weight for a woman who is 6’ 3”, and if Samus’s suit really were as light that, then it wouldn’t be sinking in water or cutting her jump height by 2/3.Tuckerscreator 20:25, October 13, 2009 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but I meant that, even though it is light enough to float, Samus can't. Neither she can swim.

It doesn't make any sense why samus can't swim on her own, that just seems like assumption. Just because she's 198 because of her height doesn't mean she can't swim. sh's at a perfectly healthy weight, retain plenty of bouyancy to float, and I've seen plenty of people her height and weight who could swim fine. bouyancy is only dependent on DENSITY, not mass, as many ships weigh far more than Samus and yet they float fine because they are full of air and empty space. It’s more likely that her suit is very dense, as it needs to be for protection, and thus sinks because of its density.Tuckerscreator 20:53, October 26, 2009 (UTC)

Then, yeah, I suppose it's because it's very dense.

Speaking of Brawl... She can swim briefly in that. I think it's more flailing, actually... ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 05:23, October 27, 2009 (UTC)

So it’s settled then. Samus is 6 feet, 3 inches, and 198 lbs. Too bad we can’t calculate her suit’s weight somehow. Aw well. Thanks guys. Tuckerscreator 20:21, October 27, 2009 (UTC)\

Accutally, she's 6' 3" because Grey was 6' 3" and it was his blood that was integrated into Samus so she could survive on Zebes. And it really looks like the shoulder pads are near her head's height. She's only 198 lbs. because of the suit, but you probably knew that. Luminoth Lover

Gallery Page
What would you guys think about doing a separate page for the gallery like so, so that we could cover ALL of the concept art for Samus in every game. I can't think of any other subjects that would need this, so it would probably only be done for her. Ridley's the next closest, and I don't think he's too bad about it. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 02:26, October 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Good idea. There's so many images on Samus.


 * I agree as well. I was wondering about this myself. The Sonic New Network Wiki has one for all their characters. Hell Kaiser ryo12 [ ADMIN ] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 19:03, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Cool. We'll have one for in-game art and one for concept art. They'll both go sequentially, based on release date. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 19:11, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. But compared to ordinary page galleries, these pictures here should be larger, as we’ll have a lot more extra space and I hate eyestrain!Tuckerscreator 21:39, November 2, 2009 (UTC)\

We'll implement that if someone can figure out how to! Thinking about it now, we might be able to use separate gallery pages for a few things like Metroids and maybe Metroid games. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 16:59, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, for those articles that are really important. Snake boss14 01:39, November 4, 2009 (UTC)

Yeha, the ones for suits could probably use them, too. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 05:09, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation
The pronunciation given is wrong on several counts. As it's written, most people would see that and think "urrin" .. there are obviously two pronunciations. the katakana reading make it sah-moos ah-rahn, but the only game with dialogue made it sam'is air'n... a more american pronunciation.

You know what I hate? It's when people say Sam-is instedead of Sah-mus in pronuncieating her name. Others may have a differrent oppinion, but that just gets me angry. SA-X96 03:10, December 8, 2009 (UTC)

Admiral Dane called her Sam-is, and in the MOM trailer, she said Sam-is Air-in Samus is cool 3   talk{ROLLBACKAH} 20:29, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Crossovers
Do we really need this section on the Samus page? Why don't we split it into a second page and merge all the articles like Chozo Blood Rights, Kid Icarus etc. into it? This is a Metroid Wikia, not a Kid Icarus Wikia (BTW that one is seriously lacking info). -- R o y b o y X  17:00, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * Because it is a list of cameos of Samus (as opposed to the Metroid series). A Metroid series cameo page could fly, but the cameo game articles aren't hurting anything, and some, like KI, are very relevant. I don't know what you think that article is lacking, as it seems to cover everything about the game in relation to Metroid, as well as the basics on itself. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 17:26, January 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I meant the Kid Icarus Wikia. Why is that even relevant? then, if you don't eant to get rid of the pages and merge them into an article, can we at least get rid of the red game links on the page? -- R o y b o y X  17:41, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Red links aren't really an issue. In fact, the total number of red links are tallied on this page, so you can see what is most requested. Unfortunately, that list has recently been flooded by the new room template. Anyway, I do plan to continue working on the cameo sections. They won't be staying red. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 22:54, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

"Samus battles Quadraxis, the penultimate Energy Guardian."
"Penultimate" does not mean what the author thinks it means. Someone should change it. 200.25.218.249 17:46, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Penultimate" means "second to last." If you'll remember, the Emperor Ing, which guards the Sky Temple, is the last Energy Guardian, so the word is appropriate.  R A  N 1 17:54, January 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought penultimate was third to last. Isn't Dark Samus the final boss? -- R o y b o y X  18:47, January 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Dark Samus is the last boss, but she's not the final Energy Guardian. She only wants revenge over Samus attacking her over and over. The Emperor Ing fights Samus over the last energy of Dark Aether.  R A  N 1 19:30, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Lets just call Quadraxis the semi-final Energy Guardian and the third to last boss. Emperor Ing is the final Energy Guardian and semi-final boss. DS is the final boss, and an a-hole, but no energy transfer thing with her. ~ Pg a ns  13:58, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Quotes
Do you think we should make a page for samus' lines? like her monologues in Super metroid and fusion and all the things she'll say in other M (and maybe the "Samus' Notes" in prime 1 and 2's Items entries)


 * If you do, I would put it on a dialogue page. And since Samus never really says anything (like 90% of main characters you play as), there isn't much to put for her. In Fusion, she does think to herself and that is just about as close as we are right now. But yeah, I'd start a page in anticipation for Other M. ~  Pg a ns  22:10, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

I did mention her monologues, which reveal a fair bit about her character and I anticipate that most of Other M's voice over's will be 90% self narration and 10% spoken word.66.56.197.123 20:04, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Gallery
The gallery on this page has become kind of poor ever since we made the larger gallery page, and I've been trying to come up with a good idea to spruce our main article up. Todays trailer gave me the idea to have a timeline gallery. One could be for how Samus has changed over the Metroid timeline, and maybe a second gallery for her suit alterations. If someone wants to start it off, feel free. I'll get to working on it at some point. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 16:52, March 3, 2010 (UTC)

Images
I'm working on getting some more images integrated into this article, but I want to know: are we allowed to take pictures from the Metroid database. I want to use the pictures used in the following link for the "Physical Appearance" section and move the Brawl pic down to the Brawl section. http://metroid-database.com/?g=features&p=behind5 That sound good to everyone?Tuckerscreator 23:31, April 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * Can't use the pic on the top without cutting the right-most one out, because its fan-art. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 06:11, April 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * Are you absolutely sure it's not the best ending sprite from Fusion?-- Deku tulla  ZM  01:11, April 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * It isn't. It is really easy to tell. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 01:44, April 11, 2010 (UTC)

princess?
why does princess re-direct here. Samus is not a princess and as far as i was aware have never been called one?


 * RBX, I really don't think that belongs here. She was a "queen" in CN:TGM, but I don't think she was ever called a princess. even if she was, that notice should be on a disambig or something. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 14:15, April 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's a nickname Anthony Higgs gives to her in MOM. And I also considered that, but eh, who knows. -- R o y b o y X {ADMIN} 15:31, April 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * I dissagree with this page being in the Princess category. If that is the reason why it is (above) then I think it should be removed. Just because he calls her a princess, that dosen't make her one. If someone called me an Emperor, that makes me an actual Emperor? Hell Kaiser ryo12 [ ADMIN ] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 16:17, April 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Let me state some facts: HK, it isn't only because of her nickname, it's also the fact that she's a queen in one of the Captain N comics. Alice from Alice in Wonderland is a princess of heart in the Kingdom Hearts series, and she's in some of the Disney Princess media (though she isn't actually one). And she's not a princess, but she's in Wikipedia's fictional princesses category anyway. Also, Xena from some show is not a princess but she is regularly called Xena, Warrior Princess, and her nickname lands her a spot in the princess category. So there. -- R o y b o y X {ADMIN} 23:17, April 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * But she was a queen in the story and not a princess. The nickname doesn't count, so I'm not really convinced that we ought to hold onto the category. The disambiguation page is OK, though. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 05:48, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Well, I also forgot to mention Alice was a queen in one of her books, but I don't see a fictional queens category on her Wikipedia page. We don't need a category for queens as Samus is the only known one (don't think Queen Metroid counts). I don't think it matters what royalty a character is to Wikipedia, they just stuck Alice in due to her presence in DP media and they stuck Xena in due to her name. So, we can stick Samus in our princess category due to her being a queen in CN and the nickname. -- R o y b o y X {ADMIN} 12:19, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone can edit wikipedia, just like anyone can edit wikitroid. And just because they made a mistake by putting Alice in that category, dosen't mean we should copy it. The word "princess" is over used by companies who want to appeal to small girls. Face it, how many little girls do you know who'd rather be Queens than Fairy Princesses? And you can't shove Samus in the Princess category just because there are no other queens who could be put in a "Queen" category on this wiki. The thing about Xena isn't convincing to me either; it's a common mistake in popular culture to incorrectly name characters. Classic example: Frankenstein instead of Frankenstein's monster. People might say "Metroid is a Girl?!" It's basically that titles do not always reflect the characters themselves. So there. <font color="FireBrick" size="2px">Hell <font color="Crimson" size="2px">Kaiser <font color="FireBrick" size="2px">ryo12 [ ADMIN ] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 19:09, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

I think it wasn't a mistake. Because that category was added long ago, and hasn't been removed since. Alice and Xena are in the category, as I've said before, because the former is in DP media often and is a queen in the books, while Xena has the nickname Warrior Princess, landing both of them in the category. Samus is not a princess, as is the same case with Xena and Alice. But she is a queen in a comic, and has the nickname princess. I'll go poke Wikipedia about it and see why they're in. But I'll bet it's the same reason. -- R o y b o y X {ADMIN} 19:48, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Samus is nick-named princess by one person not everyone, to earn a title you must be called it by many! Millions of little girls are called princess by their Parents... does that make them one? No! ... Also Xena has been given that title as a catchy way to drag attention from viewers and from then on she has kept that title. Samus has not kept that title but only as a nickname from only one person in the canonical timeline, Samus doesn't have a title ... she only has three that has been used by the media 1) Sexiest girl in gaming (everywhere) 2) Protector of the Galaxy (Graphic Novel) and 3) Metroid killing machine (Magazines). Do you want a make a category for Sexiest Girl in Gaming? ... I don't think so. Plus Alice is in a book and has depicted differently in every media as of now... Alice has been 1) A little girl (Book/Disney) 2) Princess (Kingdom of Hearts which was made by Square Enix/Disney) 3) Queen (later on the book series) 4) A Teenage Girl (newer adaptation) 5) Lost Tragedy (Creators of Lost because J.J Abrams wanted to use Alice in a program he made where a kid dreams fairly tales and they come real which got replaced with Fringe) and 6) a Drug Addict (mainly in comedy shows). Kameo is also called Warrior Princess and so is Princess Zelda, But is that their main title? ... No! ... Samus has been givin chuck norris' daughter on the internet but that doesn't make it official ...man I love dot dot dottin' ... (Important note ->) Remember just because some people say it ... ''it doesn't mean it is official!   ''--Metroid101 23:40, April 22, 2010 (UTC) 

In regards to ChozoBoy's summary: Rugrats is the $hit... 'nuf said... ;) But anywho, regarding this little discussion: Really? Do you people know what an RfC is?? P   i   r   a   t   e   h   u   n   t   e   r  {ADMIN} (Talk&bull;Contribs&bull;Logs) 08:15, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Changes and Changing
Hello again guys, I'm back after long peer-ee-odd of hiatus and whatnot, and I'll be right back up to work adding some new pictures for this page. My particular favorite is our new one for the Subspace Emissary section, wish it could be her new main image, but... aw well, no need to drone on.

Anyway, I have a few things I'd like to ask about. This page's gallery is INSANELY large and honestly seems like it fit better on its own page. Is there a reason for why it's being held on this article and not moved to the other one?

2ndly, I would like to ask, is it really necessary to have her Biography be on a separate page? i haven't seen this done anywhere on any other wiki, and honestly, the actual biography looks a little lame on its own when it is all just one big section and no supplement. And I should know, I wrote it. Anyway, I talked with some admins on some wikis, ike Halopedia and such, and they said that character biographies should be allowed to go on as long as they like, provided all the information there is necessary and essential.

And 3rdly, I'm don't think we need the section on the Metroid Prime's art booklet. Sure, it looks interesting, but it seems somewhat out of place and doesn't really add anything to our understanding of her like the page should.

That seems like everything. Just some questions and some proposals, I do hope you'll take them well. Thanks. Tuckerscreator 02:07, May 13, 2010 (UTC)


 * In regard to the gallery, the purpose of each is incredibly apparent. The other page contains concept art in a format that follows our timeline, while the galleries here track Samus and the Power Suit's appearances through the Metroid universe timeline. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 04:48, May 13, 2010 (UTC)

I see that, but it’s starting to becoming a little much. Since the separate gallery page covers only concept art, how come it can’t cover in game appearances as well? It’s especcially with the Power Suit section as those pictures seem more in place on their respective pages. Just because she’s inside it everytime we see it doesn’t mean we need a separate gallery for it. If it’s for the sake of conclusiveness, Samus’s bio contains plenty of pictures of her and bringing it back should solve this problem. It just seems a little disgeneous to me, if we move a bio because it was long but we keep a gallery that’s getting longer even though it doesn’t rake in as much information. Tuckerscreator 01:23, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Huh? I didn't understand the first half of that. If you really wanted to, we could make additional gallery pages for the evolution of her in-game appearances, but they seriously don't mesh with the format of the current gallery. If you like, you could have a less detailed version of the bio page underneath the link to it. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 01:44, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about the confusion of the last post I accidentaly copied part of another sentence I was typing from something else. Pretty funny, but sorry. Sorry about that.

Anyway, back to business. Well, my issue is not that her gallery is large but rather the fact that it is large but her bio has been moved away. It just feels like the wrong prioritizing of information to me, since in a character's page their biography should rank higher than their gallery. The gallery can remain the way it is, I suppose, but the Power Suit pictures should probably be moved to their respective pages, since it's too far of a jump of relevancy. But otherwise, the gallery can be left as is, if that's the way we prefer it.

As for the bio, like I said, a biography should hold greater importance to an article than a gallery so that's why I vote for it back. Anyway, long bios are quite common on all the other wikis I've seen and Samus's is actually comparetively short! This is a different case from the "History of the Space Pirates" article, there it merited its own space. But here it doesn't right to push it away to another location, leaves hole in both articles.Tuckerscreator 04:47, May 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Haha... That makes more sense. Okay, so would your preference be to include the entire bio from that page or to include important/significant segments from it and leave the link at the top for the main article. Just trying to figure out what you are aiming for. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 06:12, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Well, the reason why I’m uncomfortable with putting a shortened version of the bio is because:


 * 1. That is what we had already on the page before I helped update it.


 * 2. It’s already as concise as I could get it. Any shorter, and each game will be reduced to just two to three sentences!


 * 3. Every admin I asked on every other wiki said a long bio are perfectly fine on a character page as long as they are dispersed with enough pictures and as long as all the information on them is essential.

I don’t think that having a long bio is going to make the page look ugly, for those who don’ read it, we have the index to skip downward. And anyway, the main reason why it’s long is just because there are so many games to cover rather than extraterraneous information. Once the development and appearances portions of this page get some images added to them, I don’t think the page is going to look ugly in any respect.Tuckerscreator 04:14, May 17, 2010 (UTC)