Talk:Ridley

Why Ridley's Clone Doesn't Have Memories in Other M
Because this has been quite a hot topic and people have gotten all hot and flustered when they realized they were wrong about it, I'll be taking a moment to clarify the evidence of why this new Ridley doesn't remember anything the original Ridley knew.

Cloning
Clones are not magical reincarnations of the original. It's not an asexual reproduction like an amoeba. In fact, the closest thing to cloning is actually having a child. Just... It's your genetic duplicate. While the clone will have an almost exact pattern of growth, and some predestined personality, the events that it grows up with are not the same. Say, Original Bruce Wayne saw his father shot right in front of him and vowed vengance on all evildoers; Bruce Wayne Clone (cloned after the traumatic event) will now have a predisposition for disliking injustice, but will not remember that Clone Dad was shot. Which brings us to...

Memories
Memories are images, sometimes sounds, that we can playback in our head. Much like a harddrive (but without the immediacy), the brain can fetch and retrieve 'data' it's stored. However, this data must first be stored. Sure, we can create data, and even implant data, but you need such data from a source. Now let's say we have drives HDR 1 and HDR 2. They're both the exact same model and have the same energy efficiency and RPM, but they have never shared data, with all data being stored in HDR2. Suddenly, Bruce Wayne destroys HDR 2, just when the User decided to move data onto HDR 1. The User CANNOT use Magic Missile to transfer the data had been destroyed to HDR 1, because there is no Magic Missile Drive. That data is gone for good.

Overall
As you apply these, Ridley Clone, as a new baby, would have no memories of his past life. The Galactic Federation could not implant his memories into his clone, even if they wanted to, because they A) didn't know it was Ridley and B) didn't have a copy of Ridley's memories.

However, it would be noted that he retains his predisposition towards intelligence and sadistic tendencies, which are demonstrated in Other M when he:


 * lured a scientist into his holding pen by playing possum


 * used Samus' powers and the Kihunters' natural 'defend hive' programming to get himself some honey


 * assessed and targeted the largest threat, Samus, as well as laid a trap for her

These bullet points absolutely imply Ridley's predatorial prowess. Ridley is, genetically, a sadistic cunning hunter.
 * took joy in Samus' fear, creeping closer and roaring ferociously instead of simply moving in for the kill.

Again, there is no proof that Ridley remembers Samus. The aforementioned bullet points only demonstrate predatorial prowess, NOT memories.

Inconsistencies
Now say Ridley does somehow remember Samus. It'll be time for those two, and us, to take a ride on the Inconsistency Train.

If Ridley remembers, then why doesn't everything scraped off Samus' armor remember? If all the monsters had been cloned in a way that somehow forced genetic memory by use of the Animus, why wouldn't the Zebesians rise up long before MB had a fit?

And the Zebesians, as well as the Metroids, were the prime targets of this cloned army. Ridley was an accident, and was treated as a pet, not continually made into a weapon. How would he, with no special treatment, somehow get magical benefits of implanted memories that the GF didn't even have? It simply doesn't pull together.

Regarding Genetic Memory Theory
While this does give Ridley the ability to remember through cloning, and only remember so much, it would mean that Ridley had the ability to alter his DNA in order to record memories directly to it. Now, not only is the ability force every single cell in a body to change its DNA so impossibly far fetched, but directly clashes with previous story elements.

At one point in the manga, the chozo had 'cured Ridley of his genetic flaws.' Ridley could have simply fixed them himself if he had the power to alter his own DNA. Building on that, he could have gone further and given himself laser eyes and methane bomb spewing things that he could explode with his fire breath, or even make himself fifty feet tall and survive in space!

So, if he had the ability to write his own DNA as he pleases, why isn't he flying through space and eating Samus' gunship whole?

With love, Extraxi 20:24, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Discussions

 * That's fine Ex, but your opinions aren't going to dominate the page anyways, both sides will be put up. 173.215.223.164 14:17, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Unfortnately, I didn't lay out opinions. If you wish the other side to be put up, then explain, in detail, how the inconsistences become irrelevant, and the methods in which this new Ridley somehow regained memories independant of all the Zebesians. Remember, even with his 'regenerative ability', he can't regenerate something he never had; memories of a past life. Extraxi 22:45, September 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * i don't know how this message got deleted, but i said that this made me realize ridley doesn't have memories, but you should check out what admiral just said near the bottom. 68.169.40.21 00:29, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

When does it say the Zebesians encountered were cloned from material on Samus' suit? Oni Dark  Link  19:04, September 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * MB said it. Shadowblade777 00:20, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

No, she didn't. She said the Metroids were, then Samus said Ridley was. The Zebesians were entirely separate. Dazuro 00:24, September 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, entirely. It's not like they're on a big cloning facility already. Extraxi 07:09, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

You're right, it's not. Remember, the bioweapons program was more-or-less abandoned once they got the Metroid and Ridley cells. They were propagating organisms of other types before they polished the good ol' Varia suit. Dazuro 13:42, September 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * Maurice said when reading out from the computer that Species had been taken from "each planet" meaning they got them from Zebes and other places, whether from her armour or not (I doubt they got them all from her suit). Hell Kaiser ryo12 [ ADMIN ] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 15:22, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Not to mention, the Federation has been in contact with the Zebesians and their minions many times in the past. Be it their Zebes raids in the manga or the battle for Urtraghus in Corruption, there's no reason to go to such lengths. Samus also says that the plan to create the Pirates-like unit was "replaced" once they had Metroids and MB, so we know that they were collecting species beforehand. And as Hellkaiser points out, they were taken "each planet," which is badly translated but still indicates that they weren't cloned--or at least not from Samus' suit.


 * Incidentally, I just watched the cutscene again... Samus notes that Ridley's influence alone wouldn't be enough to awaken the Pirates. She says that even with him at their head, they would remain feral. I wonder what the hell the significance of that is? Whether he remembers or not, he's supposed to be sapient--and even Samus refers to his "dark intelligence." So why isn't he sufficient as a leader? Dazuro 15:22, September 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * A feral monkey without a proper upbringing isn't going to know how to fly a ship. That does not mean it won't know how to trick other animals into traps. Knowledge is not intelligence. Extraxi 06:10, October 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Huh, a somewhat logical argument for non-remembrance. So they do exist. Still not sure I subscribe to the theory, but that would make sense. Dazuro 06:22, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Genetic Memory Discussion
For clarity's sake, I've decided to copy my genetic-memory theory here, since so many people are referring to it.

You're all assuming that Ridley forms memories in the same way Humans and other terrestrial life forms do, by means of proteins stored in the hippocampus region of the brain. But what if his memories are actually stored in his DNA? It is an information-carrying medium, after all... cells produce new DNA every time they divide, and I see no theoretical reason why they couldn't add on encoded memories while doing so, then read them off later. Sure, it wouldn't replace the regular way of doing it, because DNA splitting and transcription is far too slow to let you access, say, where you parked your car, but if Ridley's nerve cells somehow transferred long-term memories and knowledge to some sort of '"messenger" cells that transcribed them into DNA and carried that DNA to cells throughout his body to be included in their copy of his genome, and could then pull those memories out of the DNA at a later date and return them to the brain's conventional storage system, it couldvery well work. It's a complex process, but so are cellular respiration, thought, vision, and all the hundreds of other things that organic life does on a dialy basis. Now, that ability could either have been genetically engineered into Ridley, or it could have evolved naturally in his species, because being able to pass down experiance and knowledge directly from parent(s?) to child would represent a huge survival advantage. If the GF got ahold of Ridley's DNA and cloned him, that clone would then be able to unpack the stored memories and then re-integrate them into its own brain, without resorting to supernatural means that may or may not be presant in the games.--AdmiralSakai 20:26, September 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes I was thinking Genetic Memory as well we don't know anything about his exact origin and Ridley often semmingly comes back from the dead after being preacticaly destroyed( 2nd Defeat in Curruption) A genetic memory whether or not it was natural or not could help explain inconsitencies seeing as by constantly taking updated DNA samples Ridley could be revived with all of his knowlege up to the point of the sample efectively making him practialy unkillable like we see throuhout the series. I also would leave the opritunity for future revivals as long as any Ridley DNA samples remain.Dragrath1 17:56, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

AdmiralSakai, you say that a lot of people think that Ridley's memory works like a human's, and then you ask what if that is not how Ridley's memory works. What a leap. You are coming up with the idea of genetic memory working like Assassin's Creed. If you mean "instinct," sure, I agree that Ridley has that. Then again, so do humans. What I am trying to get across here is that you may think that there is no need to believe that Ridley's memory works like humans, but then there is also no need to believe that Ridley's memory does not work like humans. Metroid Fan 18:07, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Added a subsection title for this. Also, I through about this whole idea for a while, and a lot of things just started bugging me one day. If he ever bled a little, he'd lose some long term memories. While DNA is rich with information, there isn't that much room to store much extra beyond instincts. On top of that, when cloning, you're only taking one or several particular cells to get a full DNA sequence from it. If Ridley had written out his memory throughout his DNA, he'd have to remember a multitude of things across different cells. Cloning one strand of DNA would result in the same memory spread across his entire body. And saying outright that the one that was cloned was the 'I hate Samus' cell would just be silly and far far far too coincidental.


 * Also, Assassin's Creed's form is a heavily exaggerated version of instinctual nature. The whole thing, in reality, would be that Desmond has a higher capacity for assassin nature, not that he has a record of their very existence. Extraxi 18:18, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * oh I had started a new section for this too... oh well and If Ridely had a genetic memory he woudn't loose memories by bleading out as the memeries in ther entirety would be encoded in a single strand of his DNA so he would have full memories up to the point the sample was taken (If Ridley had a sample taken and was killed and revived he wouldn't have memory of that Death). Like I said Ridley could by controling this technique with a fail safe expirement used this to revive himself from compleate destruction like his second defeat in Corruption. In addition I think it is more plausible than the regenerated by phason idea for that encounter.Dragrath1 18:49, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, there's.. not enough room for a life of memories on a single strand of DNA. Your entire brain hardly does. Extraxi 18:52, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Actualy only a small part of the Brain is linked to memories and all evidence points to storage there being endless ever read anything about nuerology?Dragrath1 19:10, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Well, most of the stuff in your brain is not particularly important. If Ridley had some measure of conscious control over the process, he could select only important memories like "That time I got my tail kicked by the crazy lady with the gun" for transcription and ignore all the day-to-day drivel that nonetheless takes up a lot of space. Also, he could simply sacrifice depth and sensory detail to make each "file" smaller, removing for instance the appearance of environments he remembers and leaving only knowledge of the important events that took place there. Which would also make dying a fairly traumatic experiance because he would subsequently have to piece together the fragments of his own past. Lastly, DNA strands vary wildly in length between species- Ridley could always just add new base pairs of memory onto the end... I suppose there might be some sort of upper limit where it just takes too long to replicate during cell division, but that is likely really, really big.--AdmiralSakai 19:18, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Dra, I don't mean to be insulting, but you probably have read a lot less on it. Also, I don't think Ridley would have such control. He probably would have devised his own weapon that would drain Samus of everything had he has the capacity to super-intelligence, and put it on a robot that didn't suck. Extraxi 19:47, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think he'd need an increadible amount of intelligence to have voluntary control over the process- it could just be that he focuses on a memory in a certain way or does something with it that we can't describe because we don't have the ability, and his brain does the rest. He's not thinking "OK, now I'll add guanine to represent that bit of lava... I'll skip the pattern of the floor tiles and move onto writing in how I felt when that Super Missile hit me" as he's fighting Samus. However, you bring up an interesting point: Ridley obviously has a lot more cranial capacity than a Human, and although he's very smart he's not increadibly brilliant. What is that extra brainspace doing?--AdmiralSakai 19:57, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thinking about eating things. Yum! I'm definitely chalking this genetic thing to overthinking, though. Organic creatures can't really access their own brain like a computer, and then command their cells to rewrite their own DNA. Y'know what? That second half is proof enough for me. If he had the power to rewrite his own DNA, he'd give himself some laser eyes. No doubt. Extraxi 20:15, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

My point is that he does not need to rewrite his own DNA concsiously. That would in all liklihood be a fairly crude autonomic process in which each protein storing part of a memory in the brain automatically triggers a "scribe" cell that moved about within that region to add a corresponding brief nucleotide sequence to its own DNA (or a specific region where only "to be included" memories are placed). When that cell has enough added, it distributes it to other scribe cells that go about the process of moving throughout his body and adding that new memory DNA into all the other somatic cells. The DNA formation is not consciously directed at all, and cannot produce anything other than memory, as those specific nucleotide sequences do not dictate the formation of any traits other than the memory proteins.--AdmiralSakai 22:15, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * So, where did you get that idea? Because I've never heard of such a thing before. Th e Ex t er m in at or  {ADMIN} ( talk  &bull;  e-mail  &bull;  contribs  &bull;  count  &bull;  logs ) 23:11, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * I got the idea from a Star Trek episode where a guy is cloned and retains his memories because Humans store memories in our DNA. The episode was way off the mark in that Humans cannot do any such thing and they explained it all wrong (in fact, its preposterousness was what made it memorable), but when I saw "memory" and "cloning" in here I immediately thought of it and started thinking "How could I change that premise to make it workable?" A little thought and my un-repressed memories of Advanced Placement Bio then led me to the outline you see above. There are no doubt problems with it, but the idea is actually fairly flexible, enough to accomodate pretty major changes in its workings.--AdmiralSakai 23:52, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * The problem with that is it's pretty much fanon. It's made up and never once mentioned in official Metroid-related data (as far as I know). Yeah, it's a good idea; but it can't be put in the article unless it's officially confirmed. Th e Ex t er m in at or  {ADMIN} ( talk  &bull;  e-mail  &bull;  contribs  &bull;  count  &bull;  logs ) 23:57, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I never intended for it to appear in the article, except maybe in some sort of "mechanics" section as with the Shock Coil, another apparant scientific impossibility. It was mainly intended to get certain people to accept that Ridley might have remembered Samus in Other M without getting into supernatural "spooky" explanations.--AdmiralSakai 00:05, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Genetic Memory Discussion 2
Admiralsakai put forth a very plaussible explanation for Ridley retaining his memories. If Ridley had a Genetic Memory which would aloww long term Memories to be incoded in his DNA(or DNA equivelent) he could effectivly be resurected by cloning. If Ridley had this kind of memory possibly as a genetic modification (nothing is really known about his origin) it could explain a few of his returns from defeats (such as the End of Omega Ridley) as well as his willingness to charge to the front lines against powerful foes like Samus.

here are the following possible implcations-

1)Ridley could with a genetic memory, create a fail safe cloning process to revive him should he ever be killed (possibly with fail safes to prevent the creation of a second Ridley while he was alive to pervent competition with himself)-stored DNA would have to be updated

2)Ridley would still be able to return in the future should some samples of his DNA remain

3)Ridley could remain active for indefinate amounts of time(not with out DNA renewal)

In other words this could explain his constant revivals while he retains his memories through out the seriesDragrath1 18:35, September 26, 2010 (UTC).

There's only one inconsistency with Ridley's apparent deaths and that's in corruption. Even in that game he isn't confirmed dead in the log books. At the end of Metroid and Zero Mission he was injured. At the end of Prime he was again injured (falling of a cliff is the biggest used thought to be dead circumstances in fiction). At the end of Super Metroid he was killed. He was cloned in Other M and killed or near killed at the end of that. In fusion he is still in that state before getting infected by an X Parasite and falling apart. Oni Dark Link  18:42, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * In Prime 3, it didn't count as a kill, so he's still alive 18:44, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Haha... Sanki... Also. You have to say where this automatic cloning device would be and how it would detect if Ridley's vitals failed. Because it's not on Zebes. ;D As well as how it got updated genetic material from time to time if he was directly at Samus' neck for a good while.

Also, the indefintie time thing is automatically debunked. When cloning something, you're making a copy of something already so old. Meaning; a clone has the life span of how much life the original had left. Extraxi 18:47, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * When I said incosistancies I was refering to Metroid Prime 3 and Extraxt you are corect about the cloning - good catch also the cloning device could actualy be in any room where samus never went. Do you think samus went to EVERY room on Zebes or other Pirate controled locations. And either way though I should add such a machine probably wouldn't exist anymore if it was on Zebes...Dragrath1 18:58, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Errors fixedDragrath1 19:02, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * If Ridley had memories, wouldn't all the other bioforms too? Shadowblade777 19:50, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand Shadowblade why would what other bioforms have memories I'm trying to show why it's possible for Ridley to have genetic memories not other unrelated bioforms(Ridley might not even have perfect Genetic memory or have this memory at all) I'm not sure you understand...Dragrath1 21:01, September 26, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's irrelevant, Extraxi. Assassin's Creed is fiction, much like Metroid. The only difference is that this genetic memory nonsense is not proven at all for Metroid: Other M. It's assumed, and what really pisses me off about Wikitroid is that a lot of you like to dick around and come up with irrelevant and unnecessary theories. This site should be based on what we know about the game, not what we think we can theorize about the game. That's what fanon sites are for. And forget genetic memory. If anything, all Ridley displayed was instinct. Metroid Fan 14:59, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Why would instinct make him coincidentally stalk and torture his "long-standing nemesis?" But on a slightly different note.. Before Other M showed that he'd previously never necessarily "died," cloning was a common fan-theory for how he kept coming back. I remember for a while people swore Prime confirmed he was cloned even. Yet no one ever questioned back then whether he kept his memory. Why is this such a hot issue all of a sudden? Dazuro 15:11, September 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't know. That's unexplained, but the way you people are explaining genetic memory sounds like those people who try to prove reincarnation is real. That is not the genetic memory I've read about. As for the assumption that Ridley was a clone in the past in Super Metroid, this was not a "hot issue," probably because Ridley wasn't "stalking" Samus. Metroid Fan 15:52, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough. Though as far as memory goes, isn't it also possible that MB implanted it, either through some weird future technology or even just good old-fashioned "here's what you need to know?" I mean, whether he actually remembers anything or not, I'm sure MB could have at some point said "by the way, that's the bitch that killed you." No crazy Star Trek plot device necessary. No issues about instincts vs memories vs magic vs genetics... No, at the bare minimum, he just knows who she is because MB knows who she is. Again, nothing solid enough to be worth putting in the article, but a very believable possibility to help quell any of those borderline-fanon "he probably doesn't remember her so let's say he doesn't" edits. Dazuro 15:57, September 27, 2010 (UTC)


 * I am of the opinion that MB might have controlled Ridley, much like she was able to telepathically control other creatures. Still, it's not proof, but I'd say it's more plausible than the genetic memory idea. Metroid Fan 15:59, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

"Implanted memory through future technology"? You can't implant data you don't have. And you can't magic data up without magic! And you can't magic things into existance that don't already exist without it being in some alternate dimension! Extraxi 18:51, September 27, 2010 (UTC)

Regeneration Cycle in Other M
Is it possible that Little Birdy isn't in fact a clone of Ridley but instead he's the space dragon himself? After we've blown him up, the surviving cells/organs/whatever simply start forming into Little Birdy, then eventually the lizard...thing, and finally back into the dragon we know and love hate? That would explain why we don't see much of him (approximately one game) after we kill him but he comes back. That's also my theory on why Ridley wasn't in Echoes, he was too busy munching. The Cloning was simply a quicker boost to reobtain his body Splice&amp;Dice 02:41, September 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * See, that was my theory for a long time. I was certain it was the same Ridley. But Samus explicitly says that Ridley was "in the same way" as the Metroids after MB says they were cloned from Samus-borne cells. So sadly, our theory is debunked. Dazuro 02:54, September 24, 2010 (UTC)


 * bowchikawowow Extraxi 03:40, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Geoform 187
I was going through the Metroid Prime logs, and I found one Space Pirate log that looks very interesting. It says Ridley is a codename for 'Geoform 187', a little about Meta Ridley, and that Meta-Ridley is the 'mainstay of security'. Does this mean Ridley wasn't the leader of the Space Pirates? Are there 186-plus some other huge scary guys like Ridley and Kraid?...and how come no one else noticed the scan?--1upD 02:15, 24 February 2008 (UTC)


 * We noticed the scan, it is just we never said anything. Darqlink51 clearly noticed it, he made a redirect for Ridley named Geoform 187. Also Kraid could have been one of the 186 before Ridley. Also Ridley's place as leader has been disputed ever since Prime came out. MarioGalaxy2433g5{Metroid/Mario Admin} {talk/contribs/Logs} 19:50, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

I noticed it too,i wandered the same thing like Kraid,it keeps me wandering if theres like 187 of these things like him why cant they afford to lose him and always bring him back?I just think because with all the oppressive forces like the Galactic Federation and possibly the Ki-Hunters that they cant really afford to lose him,187 is not a big number even if they are huge and tough.


 * Anyone ever thought that maybe the pirates did expirements to enhance creatures with mechanical parts, similar to what they did with phazon? Ridley could be the 187th expirement. The Exterminator 00:05, October 6, 2009 (UTC)


 * Weird. "Geo" means "of the earth". The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 22:54, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Zebesian?
In the original manual for Metroid, Ridley is said to be "the original Zebesian" which implied that his species was native to the planet before disappearing for unknown reasons. Could Ridley's species possibly be the Zebesians? The question is: Is the original Metroid manual still canon? One might point out that Metroid Zero Mission was supposed to recon it but its manual actually says nothing about Ridley not being a Zebesian, simply because he was barely mentioned and not even seen in the manual(Kraid held the bigger spotlight for the time being.) The Chozo have already been stated as not being native to Zebes. It seems pretty likely to me that Zebes was Ridley's homeworld, which is why he wanted the planet so much. User:Tuckerscreator 5:26 17 March 2009


 * Likely retconned. Peegai 11:31, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Other M has me thinking he might be Zebesian as well. At one point Samus finds an alien corpse on the Bottle Ship that looks a lot like Ridley which she says "looks like a Zebesian". The head and body structure do fit appearance wise only difference being it didn't appear to have wings as far as I could tell but given that it seems to have been "modified" at some point it's possible the wings were removed The Krypt Angel 23:54, September 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * At the point where Samus found alien corpse she said "Its a zebesian, but its been cybernetically inhanced." Me tr oi d Ma ni ac 22:42, October 14, 2010 (UTC)

Ridley: Name of the being or the species?
I typically thought that Ridley was his name, but upon reading the details of meta ridley that came from the Nintendo site, which begins with "Meta Ridley is a genetically enhanced Ridley metaform...". The line seems to imply that the species is named Ridley. Any thoughts on this? Dark Ridley 19:52, September 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * That line never struck me as contradictory to the fact that Ridley is the name of the individual. By which he is referred to on multiple occasions anyway. Besides I wouldn't take much of what that site says as canon, if it even exists anymore. It used a horribly outdated image of Metroid Prime. Uncouth! SteveZombie 01:43, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Ridley, according to a metroid prime log, is a code name for geoform 187. SA-X96 02:40, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Species Revisited
So, I was rereading the manga, and at one point he, Gray and Mother get into a big argument over the nature of his species, lumping him together with the space pirates. "Are you stopping this humanoid charade? After all, this is your people's true nature. You've stolen from every race imaginable. In the end... beasts indulging in your own petty desires." "Beasts? We are..." Clearly, he's being counted as one of the pirates' race, shuzoku, whatever you want to call it. Now, add to this that he was called the original Zebesian, a term which now refers to the pirates. Beyond that, have a look at Ridley's model in Metroid Prime. His chest and limbs are nearly identical in structure and texture (under the armor) as the standard space pirates found in the game. We know the pirates are big on genetic modification and bioengineering, we know they have no qualms changing around their own race's builds and appearances (see the Body Acclimation Machine or whatever it's called)... He looks just like a pirate with wings, a tail and a different head on a long neck. He is referred to and refers to himself as one of their own. And he shares his title with the race's nickname. Is it really that much of a stretch? Also keep in mind that some of the mutated pirates in the manga demonstrate long beaks with reptillian heads... I don't know if it's solid enough to mention in the article as anything more than a trivia if that, but it's worth thinking about. Dazuro 03:46, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Upon further reading, Mother Brain explicitly says "this worthless species" while looking at Ridley, refers to his "puny race," then goes on to say she will "cradle the space pirates to sleep." Yeah, sounds like confirmation of his race to me. <_< Dazuro 04:22, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we can rule him out being a direct species of Space Pirate now that we know that he starts out as a furry little white thing with a nasty appetite for anything that moves. Marx Wraith 22:01, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Indeed. Unless of course that's what all baby pirates look like, or then there's that crazy theory on Ridley's page about Ridley's DNA being mixed with the bunny's causing them to evolve from each other... Dazuro 22:11, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

uhhh....wow,behold the terror of the galaxy! The ravenous space bunnies! Marx Wraith 23:39, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * Ridley's nature is mysterious, but I don't think he IS a space pirate (in biological terms), but definitly IS a space pirate. What I mean is, his case is similar to being adopted. Though I'm not saying that the pirates went down to the local space dragon shelter. 66.50.175.139 03:20, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Cleanup
I've marked this article for a cleanup due to the jarble in the paragraphs. Lots of information I've never heard of in this article, so if you find sources that confirm these things, please put them in the article, even a link to a website is fine. I'll work on it later.--Richard 21:07, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Timeline
We need a reason why Ridley is fully organic again in Super Metroid. I have made 4 possible timeline theories for Ridley after his first encounter with the Hunter:

Timeline A: (Ridley going to Tallon IV) 1. Ridley 1 is defeated (not destroyed) in the Ridley Area on Zebes during Zero Mission. 2A. When the Zebesian Pirates split in two groups (or possibly more, as there are still 2 frigates whose fates are unknown) after the Fall of Zebes, the group that went to Tallon IV took Ridley (who might have been heavily wounded) with them. and fixed them with their cyborg technology, creating Meta-Ridley. 2B. The Zebesian Pirates started cloning Ridley, the DNA samples they used for this might have been from before or after his initial defeat on Zebes. 3. The Hunter attacks Orpheon, and Meta-Ridley is forced to flee to Tallon IV. Meta-Ridley is defeated through the combined effort of the Hunter and the Chozo statues. Meta-Ridley falls into the Impact Crater, and most likely escaped while Aran was fighting Metroid Prime in the Impact Crater. 4. MP3C happens, and this Ridley is completely destroyed. (will not tell anything else due to spoilers) 5. Super Metroid: The successfully cloned Ridley from Zebes attacks Ceres and steals the last Metroid. He MIGHT have been completely destroyed in this game, either from his battle with the Hunter or the destruction of Zebes, although I think it's not likely, as the Federation apparantly has a frozen Ridley on the BSL research station, this Ridley might have been another clone, though.

Timeline B: (Ridley staying on Zebes, as it was intended before Prime) 1. Same as above. 2A. When the Zebesian Pirates split in two groups (or possibly more, as there are still 2 frigates whose fates are unknown) after the Fall of Zebes, the group that went to Tallon IV took some DNA samples of Ridley with them, cloned him and altered him with cyborg technology; creating Meta-Ridley. 2B. The Zebesian Pirates kept the Original Ridley. 3. Same as above. 4. Same as above. 5. Super Metroid: The Original Ridley from Zebes attacks Ceres and steals the last Metroid. He MIGHT have been completely destroyed in this game, either from his battle with the Hunter or the destruction of Zebes, although I think it's not likely, as the Federation apparantly has a frozen Ridley on the BSL research station, this Ridley might have been another clone, though.

Timeline C: -All Ridley's are clones (Zero Mission one might have been the origibal, though).

If one of the theories above were to be true, it is unknown why the High Command didn't just order an army of Ridleys to be made, thus making any other means of conquest (through Metroids, Phazon or the base on Zebes) unneccesary.

Timeline D: -As stated in the article, all Ridley's are the same entity, save for Ridley-X, which is a X-clone of the frozen Original. Although the "massive phazon exposure from the explosion recreates his organic tissue" is highly unlikely, I don't see any other way of him surviving everything. Maybe his Meta-Ridley armor was removed or something?


 * Woah, long post. However, I'm sorry to say but theories aren't really helpful. If we could find info from Nintendo or something, then we could put it in the article. For all we know, these are all the same Ridleys. However, we'll never know unless Nintendo officially confirms this. Nice timelines though.--Richard 01:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

The reason Ridley is organic again is because he eats other organisms to rebuild his organic body. I forgot where I heard this, but I know it to be true. SA-X96 20:23, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I know I heard it on the main page of this article. It says that that fact is said in the Manga. DoomZero 20:32, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that is where I heard it. One day, I got really bored, so I read all the manga about Samus' beginning. Thanks! SA-X96 23:14, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Ridley>Meta Ridley>Omega Ridley
According to Metroid: Zero Mission, Meta Ridley is the Final Boss when Samus tries to escape Zebes after her ship is shot down. As this is a more recent game, it should supersede the information in Metroid and thus Meta Ridley's first creation and appearance is as the final boss in Metroid: Zero Mission and should be edited as so. I also believe that the Meta Ridley seen throughout Metroid Prime is meant to be the same Meta Ridley as seen at the end of Metroid: Zero Mission after escaping the base there on Zebes.

As an explanation as to why he is normal again in Super Metroid, it is partially explained at the end of Corruption that after destroying all the Phazon from its original source everything it infected returns to normal as before. As Ridley only survived due to merging with the Phazon during Corruption it is logical to assume that once it was removed he was revived in his original form, similarly to how Samus returns to normal as well. He was either fully rejuvenated or quickly received medical attention, in either case he returned to his original self.


 * Actualy Mecha Ridley is the last boss of Metroid Zero Mission. There is several differences between the two. The major difference is that Mecha Ridley is a robotic version of Ridley (a fake to say it quickly) and Meta Ridley is a cyborg (Ridley combined with robot parts). MarioGalaxy2433g5 21:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Temporary Suggestion
As done on many other wikis that require explanation that the creators are not providing, someone could find a Metroid forum and place theories from forums (not me, I can't find any) to how Ridley became organic again. Darqlink51 01:13, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Shady sources....
The biography for Ridley is highly detailed, and contains a very ample amount of information on Ridley's background. But I have played through every main Metroid game (excluding the final 10% of Corruption) to 100% completion, I've read the first 7 chapters of the E-Manga, and I had never even seen half of the information written there! Could someone please shed some light on the sources of this mysterious information? (Such as the mass extinction program against the "Space Dragons", and Ridley's mission to eradicate chozo inhabitants of Zebes, and so on & so fourth...) Armantula513 03:13, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

'Space Dragon Mass Elimination Program'
Seriously agreeing with Armantula here. Where did most of Ridley's background come from? I was thinking the same thing the other day. This seems like guesswork/fanon. ChozoBoy 18:09, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It came from a secret inside informer at BSL. 0_o--1upD 18:02, 6 August 2008 (UTC)


 * ...thus it should be edited out somehow. -Gamok

So, admins... Are we taking this out (Also on Space Dragon, which I'm not sure is a correct specie name), or are we going to contact the writer for a source first? This all seems very misleading, but I'd hate to remove important information on the off chance that this was from one of the few media I haven't read, like Samus and Joey. ChozoBoy 00:26, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * All that info is from www.metroidguide.com. I would know; I've read that article. what we need to do is ask nintendo to confirm or deny it. --DekutullaZM 15:59, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

It's not true. There is a disclaimer at the bottom of the website saying: '''This website has no affiliation with Nintendo ©. All information contained herein is purely fictional.''' It's non canon.--Tuckerscreator 17:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I know that. I'm saying that's where the info comes from and that nintendo should tell us "yes, we agree with them, lets make it canon" or "no, that's nonsense, ignore them". --DekutullaZM 21:45, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Nintendo doesn't need to comment on fan sites. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 01:48, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * If Nintendo has made no comment regarding the canoncity of major works like the 2002 manga, then they're probably not going to speak about websites like this one. The site's own words should be enough.--Tuckerscreator 01:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

All right, I surrender. I was just saying that's where I originally saw this thing. If it's non-canon, then take it down. I give. --DekutullaZM 15:07, 16 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Wait a minute, are you sure it was from this site? While the site does have a lot of speculation and fanon, such as on Ghor's bio, I saw nothing on Ridley's that said that the Federation exterminated his species.--Tuckerscreator 18:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

What?? No! It was metroidguide.com that said that! Or... are you not beating the dead horse? Are you talking about something someone else said?

X
Mabye "Ridley X" Is related to ridley. EX: its his dad. Samusiscool2 00:33, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * This theory has already risen on Talk:Ridley-X. I think the player's default assumption is to think that it is really Ridley who was frozen, but when you think that you forget the possibility that it could be just another Space Dragon. Long Live the Squees! Squee master  01:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

Possible Based On...
Seeing as I've heard that Metroid is based on the Alien series, I've noticed that some of Ridley's artwork/forms seem similar to the Xenomorph, with dragon-like body parts used for the head and wings. Does anyone else here notice a resemblance. If they do, I may add this to the trivia as a possible influence in his design. Dark Ridley 20:06, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, i'm starting to notice it too, his chest area has a clear rib cage showing, and the tail. However, the head is exluded, it is simply elongated because Pterodactyls have heads like that, after all he is based on them most. Hell Kaiser ryo12 [ ADMIN ] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 20:49, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Look at the original NES metroid... Ridley looked similar to the Xenomorph, His head was way bigger than the pterodactyls head.(Metroid101 02:31, January 15, 2010 (UTC))

Ridley's last name
I herd his last name is Mc'Macintire and also can ridley speak english?-69.118.78.130 22:54, 4 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ridley is scotish? Anyways give us a source on that name and he speaks jappaneese in the E-Manga which as been translated to english so yep.  Metroidhunter32  01:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

If you have IO on demand go on free on demand and go to lifeskool go to video games and select metroid-207.241.247.1 15:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

I didn't know Ridley had a last name. I never really thought of that. Where did you hear that? SA-X96 02:19, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

His last name is probably some numbers, I doubt that his last name is Mc'Macintire, somebody was probably kidding you.--Captain Silver 07:30, January 18, 2010 (UTC)Captain Silver

He wouldn't have a last name, due to Ridley most likely being a codename for his real subject name. I base this on the face that Meta Ridley was a codename for his real name, which was simply Geoform 187. -Serrix

Cold, lifeless eyes?
What exactly is that from? I don't think it's from any of the games..--Shard1697 03:55, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Dunno. I always remeber him as having rather inteligent eyes and in Metroid Prime it looks like his eyes are actually on fire.  Metroidhunter32  15:59, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, all the pirates in Prime had flaming eyes. Hellkaiserryo12 16:37, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * I believe this is what one would call artistic license, in the literary sense of the term. It is more of a literary tool meant to evoke feeling than it is necessarily the truth. Aside from that, I think that Ridley has quite a flamboyant pair of spectacles, not devoid of life in the slightest! Armantula513 [ADMIN] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 11:43, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, in manga, ridley has sort of smart, intellectual eyes. In prime, they are powerful looking and in super metroid they are a softer version of prime's eyes. SA-X96 02:26, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Pictures
I think we may have too many pictures on this page. I think we may need a gallery.Dark Ridley 03:18, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

SSB
http://mdb.classicgaming.gamespy.com/sb/sbshot_ridley.jpg

Now stop that. Dazuro 01:40, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

We've talked about this before. You cannot continue behaving like this here. Everyone is working together on this wiki and you won't get anything out of acting rude. Now if you don't cite your sources in or during the edit you can't expect anyone to believe it. The sprite is a lot less detailed than Super's and in the original posture, but if you feel strongly enough about it, then that is fine but if I see you treating other users the way you have been treating me then there will be a problem. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 02:11, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

You can't be serious. The sprite used is the one straight out of SM, with the tail posed awkwardly. There is no question about that. M1's looks completely different. What, do you want me to start citing the fact that Samus has two legs? Anyone with eyes can see that, just as anyone with eyes can see which Ridley sprite is used. I shouldn't have to cite blatantly obvious things. Why exactly can I not behave like this? What is "behaving like this"? Making constructive, accurate edits to articles, and reverting mistakes made by an incompetent administrator? Funny, I've never heard of anyone objecting to fixing things before. I'll take note to be counter-productive like you in the future, though. Thanks for the tip.

Also, you didn't give any citation at all beyond "this is true". Are you somehow exempt from your own rules just because of your rank? Dazuro 02:25, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Lower Jaw?
In the 2D ones, he's weak everywhere in his body. In 3D, he's weak to the chest. Where did this "lower jaw" thing come from? Sure, you can stun him by shooting him in the mouth, but that has no specification to his lower jaw. Does he take more damage to his beak-bottom than anywhere else in any game? As far as I know, this is completely meaningless, but in an effort to appease the Wrath of Chozoboy, I'm asking here first. :3 Dazuro 18:44, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I'm sure it is likely related to Kraid's similar weak-point in that it may do more damage. An illustration in the SM guide depicts firing missiles and super missiles into his mouth, but does not elaboarate on this. Maybe examining some Speed Runs will shed some light. Also, don't be a jerk. If everyone else on every wiki can use a talk page before they amputate half an article, than so can you. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 19:01, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Cripes, I can't win. Even when I try to do as you say you bite my head off. -_- What's all that about Kraid? Does he take more damage to the lower jaw than the rest? You said "may do more damage", indicating that you don't mean Kraid's mouth in general, since no where else does any damage... As for "amputating": The point of a Wiki is that anyone can edit it. If an edit is in dispute, it gets discussed and fixed. If we have to okay every minute correction, what's the point of letting anyone but the admins edit anyway? "Hey I found a typo, is it okay if I fix it?" Unless it's something actually debatable, there's no point in debating it. Incidentally, this is debatable, and you'll note that I debated it. But as usual, people only notice when someone does something wrong, failing to ever realize "hey, he's trying". And then you call me a jerk. Dazuro 19:10, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

I personally disagree with the "lower jaw is his weak point" idea. First of all, Ridley's weak point has generally been his chest, such as in Zero Mission, Prime, and Corruption. Before one points out his health dropping during the first battle on Norion, I would like them to notice a few things. Firsts, Ridley does not exhibit any major death signs after being defeated. I would argue that the battle is essentially one trying to push him to the bottom rather than hitting in a lethal location, kinda like a battle of tug-of-war, only backwards. Even after being defeated in that battle, he still clearly alive, just flailing about, because there is nowhere left for him to grab. As for shooting his mouth to stun in him in the Seed and at the Impact Crater, remember, if you shoot anyone in the mouth, it's going to hurt, but there it only served to stun him, not damage him. Ridley's weak spot is more likely his chest, which makes far more sense. User:Tuckerscreator 14:21 25 April 2009

Safe to Say?

 * Next to nothing is known of his pre-military background (if in fact he even had any), but it is safe to say that he made his way up the ranks until finally he was bestowed the designation as leader of the Space Pirates in battle.

I'm doubtful of this assertion for several reasons:

1. Ridley is a different species than all the other Pirates. I think that the other Space Pirates, even up to High Command itself, would give Ridley special attention the moment he arrived.

2. This is a fan guess, not just about Ridley's history but about Pirate society in general as well.

3. It also claims that there is some hints at his past e.i. "Next to nothing" when there is in fact none.

So we need to fix this User:Tuckerscreator 22:22 08 May 2009

I found it more vague than fanon, but if you want to write a new opening, go ahead. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 01:58, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

What do you think it should sound like, then? Any suggestions? User:Tuckerscreator 20:11 10 May 2009

Something representative of the character that introduces him to an audience that might not be familliar (or at least as familliar as we are) with Ridley. By the way is Ridley's gender ever given? ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 03:29, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I believe Ridley is referred to as "he" on the Pirate lore for Meta-Ridley. But even if he isn't, his persona both in-game and out very much seem to reflect that of a male. User:Tuckerscreator 22:21 10 May 2009
 * He is refered to as male several times, such as "a job he will take to" and such. As for his species, I dunno--his design in Prime is actually quite reminiscent of the Pirates there, albeit with wings and a tail. And the manga has implied several times that he's one of them by more than just affiliation--and after all, both Prime and the manga show that pirates have no qualms whatsoever with completely reconfiguring their bodies. Maybe he is a different species, but there's not enough evidence either way. Dazuro 05:39, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I've always just been under the impression that he is a heavily mutated space pirate from some experiment that not enough pirates survived for it to be cost effective to do again. Same thing with Kraid.  Metroidhunter32  15:11, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Kraid strikes me as more Bryyonian than Urtragian-based. Dazuro 17:07, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I always thought of Ridley as a separate species but being amutated Pirate is a possibility I hadn't considered. Above this section, I had given my hypothesis over Ridley being a Zebesian but, so far, no one has responded. User:Tuckerscreator 12:19 11 May 2009


 * While it is possible that Ridley was a mutated Space Pirate, the fact that he was also referred to as "Geoform 187" implies that Ridley is not, speciesially, a Space Pirate. He is a space pirate in terms of affiliation, however.

Zero Mission artwork
Since Zero Mission currently has the most up-to-date artwork of Ridley, shouldn't we use that for the main image rather than the Super Metroid artwork? Looking around the gallery, it doesn't look like it's been uploaded, but I can upload it if need be. -PeanutLord 22:49, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Wouldn't Brawl's be the most recent, not to mention probably the best picture in general? Doesn't seem like we automatically go with 'most recent' like most wikis either. Though either way, if the ZM one isn't uploaded we need it for the gallery, so please do so. Any chance you have the other ZM artworks as well? I've never seen most of them outside of the Brawl stickers--no sites seem to have the stuff. We have a few minibosses and such on the wiki, but AFAIK we have no Ridley, no Kraid, no ZSS, no gunship... Dazuro 23:10, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, I was more referring to his artwork in actual Metroid games...I dunno, it just makes more sense to me since that's the most up-to-date canonical version of his design (not including the Prime games, since they're Meta and Omega instead of just normal Ridley, or Other M, since we don't have any official artwork for it yet). I have most of the Zero Mission artwork, though, so I'll get to uploading that anyway. -PeanutLord 02:24, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Article Pic
Um, there's nothing wrong with the first infobox pic, but, can we please use something with a little more...awesomeness? -- Deku tulla  ZM  21:40, September 17, 2009 (UTC)


 * Nominations? ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 06:57, September 18, 2009 (UTC)

-- Deku tulla  ZM  19:15, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Won. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 21:04, October 2, 2009 (UTC)

Ex-Ridley?
Is it saft to say that ridey is dead, by the end of Fusion? I mean, ofcourse he'll appear in all the games before Fusion, and it won't really matter as long as no other game is released after fusion, but is he deceased? Assuming the frozen corpse is in fact ridley, obviously. The Rid-cicle collapsed, looking quite dead. (By the way, Ex-Ridley is a refrence to the Norwiegian blue parrot from Monty Python.) DoomZero 15:41, October 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * We can't assume he is. If (and only if) there are no more chronological sequels to Fusion, then we can say that. Queen  Sa  mus  18:37, October 4, 2009 (UTC)


 * They couldn't possibly have killled Samus's nemesis. She has to kill him. Still, they have to explain that in a later game.

Like the one coming out next year that takes place in that time period and has Ridley in it, in at least two parts of the game? ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 03:51, October 5, 2009 (UTC) Woah, close call there. If you had even mentioned the acronym of the game's title, this place would have huge amounts of messages. And anyways, that game takes place before Fusion. DoomZero 03:55, October 5, 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, I actually meant a game that takes place after Fusion. They should make one, along with another one after Corruption.


 * Speaking of after Fusion... What happens to Samus's suit? Like, is she stuck with the Fusion suit forever, now that the Chozo are nowhere to be seen, and the scientists pretty much destroyed her power suit? DoomZero 21:58, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Remember how the Federation created data that mimicked her previous abilities perfectly? They could do the same thing with her Power Suit, but we're getting off subject. This should be about Ridley, not Samus' Suit. The Exterminator 22:52, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Hmm... Yeah, you're right... But I don't have anything left to talk about... DoomZero 00:08, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

I heard something once(maybe wikitroid)that the Manga states that Ridley is like Dark Samus and can survive being completely disintergrated because his dead cell/particles spread into the air and feed off other energy and he forms back together.General Q-Nek 01:27, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Close. He actually eats other organisms, with his mouth, to restore his lost body parts. Supposedly this is how he became Ridley again after the Prime series, all those mechanical parts helped in "rebuilding" his organic form. The Exterminator 01:30, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Development Room
Where'd these pictures come from? I've seen them on both the Ridley, Kraid, and Chozo pages. What are they? -- Deku tulla  ZM  17:57, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

Concept art from Zero Mission. Don't ask how you get it, I'm still waiting for the dang game to come in. The  Ex terminator  18:17, November 29, 2009 (UTC)

INVINCIBLE (not the Michael Jackson song)
Ridley can absorb 'life energy' from other beings or at least regenerate. He never really dies truly, which is weird. Haha maybe he has Metroid DNA?

TantrumDog 02:30, December 2, 2009 (UTC) TantrumDog


 * As I recall he reveals he consumes dead bodies or cells in some fashion. Many have taken this as meaning he outright eats them but looking at that little accident he was involved in at K-2L, I kinda doubt he was in any condition to do so. SteveZombie 22:50, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Undead much? Maybe he absorbs their matter and makes/rebuilts himself. TantrumDog 04:06, January 13, 2010 (UTC)

Remember how he's referred to as a geoform, not bioform? This makes me think that Ridley might not be a normal creature and may not be carbon-based, explaining why he's such an abnormality of biology.Einsteinium99 02:47, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Citiation
I'll post a youtube video of all the ridley remixes... I'm starting it now (Metroid101 18:16, February 14, 2010 (UTC))

Metroid manga
If you zoom up on a small pic of Ridley before he tells Samus that he is going to kill her, it kind of looks like he's sorry to kill innocents. Anyone knows why? Brianb014 07:09, June 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, he goes around killing people and animals, then to have a child come to him fearless and trying to make friends. I guess he didnt have the heart to kill a kid standing up to him. Thats why he hesatated, saying "We dont have time for little girls." or something like that. Then when Virginia comes over he blasts her because she was scared. Hard to explain. (Metroid.pie 20:42, June 26, 2010 (UTC))

Maybe it was just a "Sarcastic" look? He does have a morbid sense of humor. Marx Wraith 03:07, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Metroid101
"CHILL OUT!"? I did not get angry at you. -- R o y b o y X {ADMIN} 23:00, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

I didn't get angry at you either, I was just using CAPS to replace italics. Metroid101 23:04, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

M101, in my opinion we ought to allow the category's inclusion. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 23:17, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Ridley Speaks
In the E-Manga, it shows that Ridley is obviously able to speak. In the games, however, he cant or just dosent. Though the E-manga isnt true with nintendo directly, do you think he will talk in Other M, with the addition of full voice acting. I'd be cool if he did, i'd flip out, but if he didnt then I guess its not true. Any thoughts on this? (Metroid.pie 13:52, June 25, 2010 (UTC))


 * Well he did "die" many times, that could possibly effect someones speech capabilities. And also this is a talk page, it is for discussing about the article its self and not the subject. If you are going to post something like this again, you should got to the Watercooler< Our forums. Metroid101 13:59, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, well, um. Yeah, ok... What? (Metroid.pie 16:00, June 25, 2010 (UTC))
 * Oh, well, um. Yeah, ok... What? (Metroid.pie 16:00, June 25, 2010 (UTC))

Let's not go there...
I've removed the words "Like a wyvern" from the end of the second to last entry in the Trivia section. The reason being that the appearance of wyverns in itself is very much open for debate, and by that I mean there are a lot of different depictions of wyverns. Anyone remember the old Fox Kids show "Mystic Knights of Tir na Nog"? It featured some creatures called "wyverns" that were nothing more than torsos with wings, a head, and a tail that lobbed energy balls forward. Some depictions of wyverns feature two wings, two legs, and two stubby little T-Rex arms. Hell, whoever wrote that entry might as well have said "like a drake" or "like a male dragon" (I'm reasonably certain that it's universally agreed that all female western dragons have two wings, and and are quadrapedal). 75.107.0.38 06:41, June 26, 2010 (UTC) predcon


 * For one thing, I appreciate your edit because A) Wyverns aren't real (or so we think) and B) We don't know what they look like. But I concur with this statement "I'm reasonably certain that it's universally agreed that all female western dragons have two wings, and and are quadrapedal" ...  Dragon's aren't real or have not had evidence of their existence  ... Also, what you described as a "male" wyvern, is exactly what Ridley looked like in the original Metroid -_- And don't use the terms Male and Female when you're describing things that you act they are real but really that aren't or haven't yet been discovered by modern public xD Metroid101 04:05, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Ridley in Other M
Other M reveals a lot about how Ridley works as a species (and it doesn't seem to be very Space Pirate-y) so I figured I just mention this so you guys don't forget to add that. 78.50.30.239 02:39, August 29, 2010 (UTC)


 * So Ridley seriously starts out a tiny fuzzy thing....creepy.Marx Wraith 03:05, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

I find it ironic and fitting. A fuzzy bird thing is WAY scarier than a baby dragon, suprisingly.


 * What i don't like his final "classic" form in Other M. They messed up his head and gave him steroids. Land Shark7896 20:13, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

He does look more like a crocodile with that mouth like it is and I was surprised to see how ridiculously muscular he got...mayhap they did pump something into him when he was "Little Birdie", apparently the Space Pirates are smarter when it comes to there being a rule against keeping test subjects as "pets". Little creepy furry gremlin bird-thing,brrrrrrrr! Marx Wraith 21:02, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Ridley at the end of Other M
At the end of Other M, after going back to re-explore, if you go to where his corpse was, it is no longer there. that should be in the article. something like: "when samus goes back to the bottle ship, she also notices ridley's corpse is gone" or something like that. (yeah, it sounds awful, but I know somebody else will have a better version)--SGP 01:36, September 5, 2010 (UTC)


 * The GF's stench is all over this one to be sure.....two words .....Metroid......Fusion.Marx Wraith 03:04, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Incorrect Characterization.
''Early in the game Samus also meets "Little Birdie" but doesn't see it as a threat, so she leaves it alone. Later, she find it eating Kihunter nectar as it roars at her and finds the creature "disgusting" as it relied on the power of others (specifically it used her to kill the Kihunter nest).''

Nothing suggest that Samus found the "young Ridley" disgusting because it had to rely on the power of others.


 * Isn't that what she said? Also, its funny that she says that because Little Birdie is "pirating" off of her kill at a young age. It feigning death is also a technique that Ridley's used. ChozoBoy (Talk/Contribs) 23:49, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Do clones have to look like the original?
Eh, I'm probably thinking this way to hard, but is the reason why Ridley looks so different in this game because he's a clone or something? Although, there was never a 3D fleshy Ridley, the one in Brawl seems to be what I'd expect Ridley to look in 3D and I'm not the only one who thinks so... I'm pretty sure its just the style they used for him, but part of me says that's not how the real Ridley would look. Dr.Pancake 03:33, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

That's how he looks in the flashback from the commercial. Dazuro 03:34, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

True, but the commercial is just a promotion of the game. I don't think they would completely change his look just because they wanted to show how the original Ridley would look during K-2L. Meh, I'm probably rethinking this way too much, I'm pretty sure its just the style they used for him. Dr.Pancake 03:40, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Look how different the Varia Suit looks now. They used that same design for the Mother Brain flashback. Artistic changes are artistic changes. That is all. Metroid's full of them. Dazuro 03:57, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I figured as much. We'll be seeing a lot more changes for sure in future games. I guess everyone has their own perspective of how Ridley looks. Just like Prime, the 2D games and Brawl have their own. Dr.Pancake 04:08, September 8, 2010 (UTC)

Man...
Forgot this page was protected. Can any admin add these two images?



You should have just uploaded it as a new version of the old one, then. Dazuro 08:38, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, but they never show when placed. I did that with the Maurice deceased and Ridley killed images and it still shows the old ones. You have to actually go to the trouble of clicking the image full-size just to see it. I thought just uploading a new one would be better. Dr.Pancake 08:44, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Other M
Since other m is out now and all of Ridleys info in the game is there the info regarding him appearing in trailers should probably removed Oni Dark Link  16:11, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

Is this going to be unlocked soon? The article is missing several of the new categories that it needs. ChozoBoy (Talk/Contribs) 01:05, September 22, 2010 (UTC)

Theres two things that need to be added as well: it needs to mention the super armor ability that the Ridley clone uses to deflect everything but Super Missiles (an ability never before used by the original Ridley). And finally, it should be noted that, in regards to Other M's Ridley cutscene with Samus's reaction, it is heavily hinted that the original Ridley died only once in the past. There are many clues in Prime Trilogy that support this as well (too many to post). (24.201.170.219 03:41, September 22, 2010 (UTC))


 * One thing that seems off to me about Ridley is him specifically going after her during his attack on them during their second form once he notices her, can this be used to imply possible memory? Great Mara 03:44, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Look in the above posts and you'll see the results of a raging debate concerning memories that (i think) has yet to be settled. (24.201.170.219 03:58, September 22, 2010 (UTC))

Disambiguation
I am thinking of creating a disambiguation page for all the various Ridleys and Ridley-like things floating around on the wiki. Any suggestions, warnings, or complaints I would want to hear before messing with such a contentious article?--AdmiralSakai 20:41, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Good idea!! We should make the disambig's for ridley 20:52, September 25, 2010 (UTC)


 * Hey! I said that idea, like, forever ago... Extraxi 18:06, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

Dazuro, which later sources say that his homeworld is unknown? They aren't on this page. ChozoBoy (Talk/Contribs) 20:17, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Samus's Armor
Where was it ever said Ridley's DNA was on Samus's Armor. I'm removing it. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 00:44, October 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think that it might have been stated by MB when she was telling Samus about Little Birdie. But I'd have to play through again to check. Great Mara 00:55, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * That was only the Metroids, IIRC. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 00:57, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Samus also said "And Ridley in the same way." Weedle McHairybug 01:31, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Yep. I resisted and removed that info for a long time, but finally someone pointed out that Samus does say that, and Melissa confirmed it shortly thereafter. Dazuro 01:49, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well that is why we use citations people. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 02:32, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Wait, what?
When does it say in other m this is the first and only clone made of him and all the others are the same being? Hell Kaiser <font color="FireBrick" size="2px">ryo12 [ ADMIN ] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 19:41, October 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * Alright, point out another definite time he was cloned and we'll change it. Obscure 19:58, October 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * That's not the point, the article is saying that this is definatley the only time he has been cloned. I never heard it said in Other M that all the Other Ridley's are the same. They could be, they could not, that's what we need to represent. <font color="FireBrick" size="2px">Hell <font color="Crimson" size="2px">Kaiser <font color="FireBrick" size="2px">ryo12 [ ADMIN ] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 14:52, October 17, 2010 (UTC)


 * Check the intro of Other M:
 * I laid Mother Brain to waste. And the explosion that followed destroyed Planet Zebes, along with the remains of Mother Brain, the Space Pirates, and  my long-standing nemesis, Ridley. 
 * This proves 2 things. She has been fighting the same space dragon all of her life. And if clones of Ridley already existed back then, she would not say that sentence in such a conclusive tone and would not freak out that much to Ridley's return. She should expect that Space Pirates have strands of his DNA hidden somewhere, where they'll keep cloning him again and again. And, in my opinion, she's surprised when she reaches the conclusion Ridley was cloned. Metroid Prime Trilogy's artbooklet mention the existence of a single Ridley, which is the being Samus has vowed to take revenge on, meaning all the Ridleys in Prime series are the same. (Latinlingo 20:11, October 17, 2010 (UTC))


 * Might as well just remove anything definite from any page while we're at it, right Hell? Maybe that whole 'regeneration' thing hasn't been canon this whole time. We need another source besides the comic. And maybe Ridley was made by pirates instead of being born or anything, and the Ridley in Metroid Prime is a failed experiment.


 * But it might be a better idea to just go with what the games give us, until we're given information stating otherwise. Obscure 20:17, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Regarding Spaceflight
We never directly see Ridley fly through space. Only Meta-Ridley. And note: Meta-Ridley has laser-wings, which probably does something besides looking cool. But I can't explain how Ridley got to the space station in Super to steal the baby metroid, or got off it, that way. Obscure 20:21, October 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Super Metroid comic shows him flying off in space, so its not just meta ridley. (24.201.170.219 23:53, October 18, 2010 (UTC))

I still think he isn't flapping his wings and "flying" through space so much as he just pushes off from a big mass and glides on momentum, moving his wings to keep himself balanced and stable.--AdmiralSakai 00:03, October 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * By saying that, you mean he just pushed himself off the ship and floated into space, with no control over his trajectory except keeping himself stable? How did he reach Zebes then? (24.201.170.219 00:08, October 19, 2010 (UTC))

I highly doubt that he made it all the way from Ceres to Zebes without a ship. Even if he was somehow able to accelerate to near light speed without technological assistance, he would still need a little over four years to reach the nearest star, much less someplace as distant as Zebes. He had to have taken a ship capable of FTL travel most of the way.--AdmiralSakai 00:12, October 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think we should come to a consensus that the comics are full of shit, and he can only fly through space with laser wings, as they are made of lasers because that makes perfect sense. It should also probably be put on the Super Metroid or Ridley page that he actually used a ship to get to Ceres, especially with the distance. Obscure 02:35, October 19, 2010 (UTC) (Sidenote: I say distance because Ceres is CLEARLY not orbitting Zebes, making any kind of single-trajectory flight near-impossible, especially considering multiple gravitational pulls affecting Ridley's momentum.)

Question. What source says Zebes was distant from the Ceres Station? Super Metroid makes it seem pretty close to where the space station was. Anyways, we could easily see this as an overlooked detail on Nintendo's part (the whole flying through space thing). (24.201.170.219 02:32, October 19, 2010 (UTC))


 * Well, let me change the trivia up a bit, see if i can make it into something that pleases everyone. And about Ridley using a ship, it is impossible to say for sure, so we cant add that, just as it is impossible to tell for sure if he can or cannot fly through space. (24.201.170.219 02:54, October 19, 2010 (UTC))

Just a curiosity, Meta Ridley's wings, are they really energy-based? If his wings are capable of burning up, doesnt that mean they have a physical texture/shape to catch on fire? If they're really made up of energy, wouldnt they just shut off? (24.201.170.219 03:05, October 19, 2010 (UTC))


 * They are. They're glowing. And they don't burn off, they just suddenly turn off, but the arms of his wings were on fire, too, right? And they're LASERS. (Also I like the edit.) Obscure 10:20, October 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no specific source that says it is very distant, but Ceres is located in Earth's solar system and Zebes is obviously not. Plus, the edit is good enough for me.--AdmiralSakai 11:45, October 19, 2010 (UTC)