Talk:Metroid Prime (creature)

Inaccurate
Some of this article is inaccurate. It was the armor trimming, not the eyes! It is entirely possible that the MP is the creator of Blue Phazon, not just a metroid that sucked it up and started making it. Also, where does it say in the game that the Metroid Prime actually started out as a Metroid? One of my friends speculated that she was the creator of the Metroids(Probably wrong, as Metroid Fusion says the Chozo made the Metroids) Anyways, has anyone noticed how the Metroid Prime looks like a giant, 3-legged Space Pirate just like Gorea looks like a giant 3-legged Alimbec?--1upD 15:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It was a Metroid when it landed. The Phazon mutated it; I think one of the Chozo Lore talked about it or the Space Pirate data. I'll work on the article today maybe.--Richard 16:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There, I've revised the article and it should be more accurate.--Richard 16:37, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right, it must've been a Metroid.(It looks very Metroidish in the end cutscene right before it explodes) But isn't the Gorea similiarity kind've wierd? I was wondering why they named that game Metroid Prime:Hunters.--1upD 15:42, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Metroid Prime because it's 3D and it takes place during the Prime series, and Hunters because it focuses on a bunch of competing Bounty Hunters ;D  D ash R aptor  16:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Born on Phaaze
I'm pretty sure MP was born on Phaaze. In the rooms just before you fight Dark Samus in MP3, if you look around you'll find bodies of Metroids that look exactly like MP. Chozo Lore seems to indicate that he came with the Leviathan as well, instead of him already living on the planet.--Richard 01:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

wrong.the lore says:from the stars it came,bling tallon with its poison.its talkin about the meteor not the mp

I think it was born on Phaaze because there does seem to be discarded parts that are similiar to the MP.


 * Those husks are obviously from other Metroids that advanced to the Prime stage themselves. SteveZombie 23:50, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * You can't say that with complete certainty. If they did belong to other Metroids, the scan would have been more PRECISE about it, saying something like these different/individual bioforms resemble the prime organism from Tallon IV. And how in the world could a metroid have existed on Tallon IV before the arrival of the leviathan and/or the space pirates? There is NO LORE that says that Chozo's had Metroids on the planet and the Temple they built allowed NOTHING to get in or out of the impact crater (unless you possessed the keys), and thus, evidence points to the theory that Phaaze is Metroid Prime's birthplace (meaning it was inside the leviathan when it launched from Phaaze). (Latinlingo 05:40, June 13, 2010 (UTC))
 * No it wasn't. You must also think of the time that the Leviathan hit Tallon IV. That was 50 years ago.
 * 1. Metroids didn't exist 50 years before Samus' mission on Tallon IV.
 * 2. Metroids were brought to Phaaze by Pirates, after they found the planet.
 * 2. Metroids were brought to Phaaze by Pirates, after they found the planet.


 * The husks were examples of what Metroids become when exposed to Phazon. Why do most people that have played Metroid Prime 3: Corruption, know that a Guardian is a native creature, but still try very hard to get around that fact? It is unbelievable how people come up with the most curious explanations, only because they find it necessary for the creature to be from Phaaze! It blows my mind. I think we can safely say that Metroid Prime and the Emperor Ing were born on Tallon IV and dark Aether. Kihunter 16:57, July 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Guys, theres a Pirate Data Scan that talks about them finding MP in a cave and kept feeding it uberous amounts of Phazon. I think it was as a tallon metroid. And in MP3, it says that Laviathans took a native creature, corrupted it, and used it as a guardian.(Metroid.pie 20:09, July 15, 2010 (UTC))
 * Guys, theres a Pirate Data Scan that talks about them finding MP in a cave and kept feeding it uberous amounts of Phazon. I think it was as a tallon metroid. And in MP3, it says that Laviathans took a native creature, corrupted it, and used it as a guardian.(Metroid.pie 20:09, July 15, 2010 (UTC))

Origins
Just informing you guys: Prime's origins are not completely known. It's unlikely that it was just a Tallon Metroid. All of the other Leviathans weren't destroyed until the core, NOT the corrupted creature, was destroyed. This seems to imply that Prime is, in fact, a Leviathan Core, further supplemented by the fact that the husk is found in the same room where the Infant Leviathan is fought. This shouldn't be taken as fact, though. 68.84.236.41 02:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Leviathan Infant Scan
The Leviathan Infant's scan seems to give the 'official' explanation of Metroid Prime. I'll quote it here, and bold the relevant part.

Leviathans are the children of Phaaze. They are bioforms that begin life deep within the planet, inside the base of a serpentine organ that serves as a womb. The Leviathan will remain in here, feeding on an endless supply of Phazon, until it has developed its Phazon core.

The developed core marks the Leviathan's transition into adolescence and its departure from the womb. The serpentine organ moves the adolescent from deep inside Phaaze and releases it closer to the planet's surface. Here the bioform will continue to grow and mature beneath its older siblings. As time passes and the older ones are launched into space, the Leviathan will slowly make its way to the planet's surface. It is here the Leviathan will reach full maturity. Once Phaaze has located a planetary target to corrupt, it will launch the Leviathan into space.

The Leviathan is capable of interstellar travel, creating wormholes in space to expedite the journey. Instinctively, it homes in on its planetary target. Shortly after impact, the bioform dies, leaving its armored shell to protect the Phazon core. '''Before it dies, the bioform often attracts and enthralls a large local predator. After mutating it through intense Phazon exposure, it compels the creature to protect the core. The core then begins to seep into the planet, replacing the local ecosystem with one based on Phazon.'''

As best I can reason, this means that the Leviathan landed on Tallon IV, attracted a Metroid, which may very well have been on Tallon IV before, and turned it into the Phazon-based Metroid Prime. Maybe Metroid Prime adopted the shell of the Leviathan Seed, or whatever. So can anyone find any reason based on the games' evidence that this explanation shouldn't be taken as official?

This is not confirmed, but I have thought before that the Hopper metroids were very similiar to the exo, and so on. I think that a possible evolution line is:

Egg->Miniroid->Phazon metroid->Hopper metroid->Phazon Metroid->Prime core->Prime exo....

But this is only what I think. KaollaSu 17:31, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say that the odds of Metroids being on Tallon IV aren't too likely. Yes, they were made by the Chozo, but why would the Chozo bring them with them? There are some other discrepancies, but I'm too tired to list them now; I'll probably get around to it sometime tomorrow, though.68.84.236.41 01:12, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Well I'm just saying. One, Tallon Metroids can be on Tallon IV because remember that metroids were in Space Pirates custody on Zebes. Several ships got away remember? They all had metroids on them. One scan in the Phendrena said that there were in fact metroids on one of ships because they brought the metroids to that planet a while back.They were doing some testing on the metroids.Not to correct you or anything but there were metroids on Tallon.M110 21:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)m110M110 21:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

I thought Tallon IV was the chozos homeworld. it seems to imply that in the elysia scans. But also the metroids homeworld is SR388 so it dosent make sense really. Maybe i'm wrong.Phazon Phantom 16:50, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No it wasn't. They went there to escape technology. MarioGalaxy2433g5{Metroid/Mario Admin} {talk/contribs/Logs} 23:24, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

My Thoughts on the is that a metroid who was to protect the leviathan also took its abilities similarly to how the metroid in super metroid took the hyper beam from mother brain and samus can absorb data in metroid fusion, in that case it didn't need the leviathan organism as metroid prime had its abilities anyway.Lord Leroy 17:37, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

I think that the metroid prime is definitely derived from a metroid (possibly a hunter metroid as they have a similar shape to the core essence but it may be that it is linked to a hopping metroid as no other metroids have a carapace and legs) which the leviathan corrupted. Also, Lord Leroy's comment above made me think that maybe metroids, as a more advanced lifeform, mutate to phazon, particularly the 'orange phazon', in more advanced ways, particularly as there are many types of phazon-enhanced metroids. This may account for such extreme changes to turn a normal tallon metroid into the armored, legged and carapaced metroid prime. 83.104.158.166 18:04, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Plot Hole
Actualy in the Japanese Version there is a bigger plot hole. In it, it was unknown how the Metroid Prime got all those weapons because it hadn't left the Impact Crater. So I'm going to revert the article. MarioGalaxy2433g5 19:57, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah, it couldn't have caused the weapons to teleport in, otherwise it would have just escaped instead by teleporting. MarioGalaxy2433g5 20:03, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

I have 3 possible explanations: 1. Metrtoid Prime produced the ability to use the beams on it own, or perhaps instantly gained them after being corrupted by/fusing with Tallon IV's Leviathan. 2. It somehow fused with the beams before Tallon IV was struck with the Leviathan, perhaps even absorbed the energies within them, which would explain why the Leviathan attracted this particular Metroid. Both are made by Chozo technology, so it isn't unthinkable that it is capable of absorbing and then using the beams, like it later absorbed the Phazon Suit. There even is a possibilty that the Chozo on SR388 made the Metroids with the abilty to use Chozo technology, because they didn;t expect it to be this aggresive.

It is also mentioned that Metroid Prime has a genetic flaw (the same which made her weak to the weapons she used), perhaps it is this same flaw that made her able to produce/absorb the beams.

The beams are natural, I was talking the multi-missile systems and stuff like that. Those weapons weren't Chozo made. Ha! (Had to get the Ha in.) MarioGalaxy2433g5 21:39, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps they are, but we will never know for sure.

Besides there is still the Phazon Infusion Chamber which couldn't exist in the PAL version. MarioGalaxy2433g5 23:11, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

If the NTSC story pirate logs concerning Prime were canon, then why was it the Guardian of the Leviathan's Phazon Core (or rather fused with it)? Ha!


 * Nobody is sure what the Metroid Prime's exact relationship with the Leviathans is. However one thing everybody can agree on is that Retro Studios doesn't know how to take care of plot holes (Laughs). MarioGalaxy2433g5 22:45, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * BTW what does being a Leviathan Core Guardian have to do with anything? MarioGalaxy2433g5 00:29, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the American version has the bigger plot hole; the space pirates couldn't have encountered Prime, since it was sealed in the Impact Crater by the Chozo artifacts. The European and Japanese releases came after the American release, and the information was retconned, which means the European and Japanese versions are canonical, and if they could, Retro would go back and change it so that the NTSC release had the same plot as the PAL release. Prime's weapon systems aren't as big a plot hole. In fact, they're not mentioned in PAL logbook entries (except Prime's Shell creature scan). Rob 64 15:09, 10 January 2008 (UTC)Rob 64

(Undent)Simple theory, it broke out. I never said it was canon I was just implying that Metroid Prime has a never ending plot hole and Retro Studios didn't take care of it correctly. MarioGalaxy {talk/contribs/Count} 21:03, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

It looks like they fixed this in the Wii version of Metroid Prime in the trilogy, so at least they've finally fixed their mistake. DesertLynx83 15:18, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

They didn't fix it, the scan still says it uses missile systems, and pirate logs still say they detect prime but haven't had any contact, and pirates are good at complaining publicly when someone roughs them up, so I doubt there was any undocumented attack by prime... Zuken 04:44, September 25, 2009 (UTC)

Phazon Infusion Chamber
The Phazon Infusion Chamber does exist in the PAL version. It's the room where you see Metroid Prime (not where you fight him, though). I did wonder about something, though. Scanning Metroid Prime tells you that it is the source of all Phazon, making it immensely powerful. However, in Metroid Prime 2, Dark Samus is no longer the source of Phazon - she goes around looking for Phazon to absorb! This is quite a change. Does anyone understand it fully? 90.200.153.7 23:45, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * One, I know it exists in the PAL version, I'm just saying it is virtually impossible to exist in the PAL version. Also in the NTSC version it never says that in the scan (I think) and Phaaze is actually the source of all Phazon so the PAL version actually contradicts MP3. MarioGalaxy2433g5{Metroid/Mario Admin} {talk/contribs/Logs} 22:09, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

What do you mean by "virtually impossible to exist"?

Anyway, I've got the scan info for Metroid Prime's first form, from GameFAQs (EU Log Book Guide):

The aberration known as Metroid Prime is the source of Phazon, making it immensely powerful. A genetic flaw makes it susceptible to certain weapoms for brief periods. Only its head is truly vulnerable: other attacks are a nuisance. Offensively, Metroid Prime has a number of natural and mechanical weapons at its desposal. These include Ultrafrigid Breath, Multi-Missiles, Snare Beams, and Partical Wave Projectors. Its massive strength and barbed carapace make it lethal in melee combat. Recommend maximum firepower when engaging this enemy.

I don't think it means the source of all Phazon, anywhere, ever; just the source of Phazon on Tallon IV. Then it would make more sense. Someone said that when you defeat Metroid Prime at the end of MP1, it loses the power to create Phazon, which is why Dark Samus then has to look for Phazon to absorb in Metroid Prime 2. I'm not sure if this is correct, but it's plausible at least.

I couldn't find a FAQ containing the scan data for Metroid Prime in the NTSC version. Do you know what it says? 90.200.153.87 21:07, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

EDIT: I've found one. It's called Creature Morphologies, and it even contains the scan data for the Beta Drone (aka Shadow Drone)! How it got that I don't know! Hacking, probably. Anyway, here's the data for the NTSC version:

A highly evolved Phazon-producing life form. The aberration known as Metroid Prime is the source of Phazon, making it immensely powerful. A gigantic flaw makes it susceptible to certain weapons for brief periods. Only its head is truly vulnerable; other attacks are a nuisance. Offensively, Metroid Prime has a number of natural and mechanical weapons at its disposal. These include Ultra-frigid Breath, Multi-Missiles, Snare Beams, and Particle Wave Projectors. Its massive strength and barbed carapace make it lethal in melee combat. Recommend maximum firepower when engaging this enemy.

As you can see, it's almost identical, and still says Phazon-producing...

EDIT 2: Eh? Why did that happen with the box thing above? 90.200.153.87 21:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


 * You added 3 spaces. MarioGalaxy2433g5{Metroid/Mario Admin} {talk/contribs/Logs} 22:51, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Well on the first part about MP making the Phazon, I think it is most likely that MP did in fact create Phazon and spread it widely hence the name Metroid Prime series. And possibly upon absorbing Samuses Phazon suit it stopped the ability to make it but metroid prime still absorbed phazon. I believe all this is a possible explanation but Metroid Prime did not make all phazon nor did it start phazon do you think it made the phazon on phaze heck no but it made phazon and widely helped spread it which is why they gave that series the name; they could of named it something else having to do with Dark Samus of Phaze but that would spoil some of the game lore and whatnot 5-8-09

Well, at that time of MP1, Tallon IV was the first encountered place where Phazon was present, and as shown in the battle, the Metroid Prime CAN make Phazon. It wouldn't be hard for a character at that time to assume that Metroid Prime was making all the Phazon there was. In the later games, it becomes obvious that there's sources other than Prime, but at the time, this would have seemed to be true.  D ash R aptor  17:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

You forgot something
Remember if you read some space pirate data it said taht metroid prime still ate phazon. We don't know if dark samus can create phazon but both forms consume it. Metroidhunter32 22:07, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Metroid Prime could create Phazon because it was strong and wasn´t as unstable as Dark Samus, who could only survive if she absorbed phazon. The core is the one who makes phazon, when it was defeated, its life source, Phazon, was depleted from the reserves of prime, leaving it weak. In Prime 2 it needs the phazon in order to survive, as it is now living far from home. because of the phazon dependance, which was feed by the leviathan which was full of phazon which MP produced, then consumed. In Aether, it hadn´t its leviathan, but it needed more phazon to survive, that she found in Dark Aether, then in Phaaze. Maybe it continued producing it, but it was too weak to do it, or it was unnecessary to make it, as in Phaaze or Dark AetherBlackbomber72 01:45, January 7, 2010 (UTC)

Metroid prime is a pure leviathan
Personally, I think Metroid Prime (exo) is a leviathan, and MP (core) is it’s under developed core. We can establish from the husks in the genesis chamber, and the Infant scans that MP is an adolescent Leviathan, and the scan data states that this stage does have a core-

“The Leviathan will remain in here, feeding on an endless supply of Phazon, until it has developed its Phazon core. The developed core marks the Leviathan's transition into adolescence and its departure from the womb.”

I do not believe that it is a coincidence that Metroid prime has a “core”, as do leviathans, and i believe this use of the word in both instances is deliberate. Of course, this means it is not a Metroid, but considering the PAL version makes no reference to it being a Metroid at all, other than in name, which, of course, in hind sights they couldn’t change. This is another example of Retro’s inability to form a coherent story based on facts (Metroid’s on Phaze, space pirates possessing Metroid eggs despite only being able to clone them via gamma rays etc.)

Some people mention it could be a Metroid that has absorbed/fused with the core, but we have never, in any other game, seen a Metroid take on the abilities’ or definition of its victims, not even all the Phazon based mutations. Granted MP absorbed Samus's Phazon suit, but i feel this was more of a side affect, absorbing the Phazon that is linked to samus' DNA, rather than the DNA itself. Plus, the previously mentioned fact that the Chozo on Tallon IV wouldn’t have had Metroid’s, as they were escaping their technology, which would include Metroid’s themselves, the facilities to contain and study them, plus the obvious fact that there would be no point, as there aren’t any X- parasites on Tallon IV.

Also, some people beleive it is the progession from a hopper Metroid, but this is jumping to conclusion's, and ignoring the implied design of the infant leviathan, which bears more of a resemblance to MP than the star travelling meteor monster, ( especially on the title screen, where the infant's insectness is more obvious).

As for the leviathan’s guardian, at no point does it indicate there was anything other than MP, as the last area in MP1 is called the “Impact crater”, not “inside the meteor”, stating you are in the heart of the damage caused by the “stellar-object” not the object itself. This makes me believe that there was no other leviathan, and MP arrived in your standard meteor, (caused by natural means, or as natural as a living planet breaking can be!), coupled with the fact the Chozo lore only mention MP, and surely they would recognize if the whole meteor was a living being.

Word up.

[ADITION]

Some thing else just occured to me...the Leviathan core can only be destroyed by overloading(?) it with Phazon, just like...Metoid prime's core! Funny that?

Ark1985, 5 august 2008 True,true.(MetroidX99 23:56, October 15, 2009 (UTC))
 * One problem, MP is too small. MarioGalaxy2433g5  10+ { talk /contribs/Logs} 20:42, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Don't forget the infant grows from that tiny thing into its giant final form, and if MP is a leviathan than its size could be any where between the two.

Ark, 17:05, 6th August
 * From what was said in MP3, Leviathans leave Phaaze once they mature into adulthood, its final size. Besides, the Metroid Prime couldn't cause a crater that big. MarioGalaxy2433g5  10+ { talk /contribs/Logs} 20:08, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

I want the person that wrote the first 7 paragraphs of this section Metroid prime is a pure leviathan to notice this: The giant Metroid from Super Metroid had ABSORBED the HYPER BEAM from its last VICTIM, the Mother Brain. So it is VERY possible that the Metroid Prime absorbed the Phazon core and GAINED its abilities: producing phazon AND the eradication of ALL produced phazon at the time of death of the Leviathan core, which is EXACTLY what happened when Metroid Prime SEEMINGLY died. Though it DOES survive and becomes Dark Samus, it obviously lost all the abilities it had as the Metroid Prime. Vampe13 02:56, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Okay... *takes deep breath* ...what if the Leviathan impacts like all other Leviathans, dies, Phazon spreads from core, Blah Blah Blah, like normal. The Chozo are smart, right? So they seal up the Leviathan (why are those things named after Biblical sea monsters, intelligent minds wonder?) in the "Cradle." Phazon corruptions stops, or at least is slowed down considerably. This condition somehow makes the Leviathan start to produse the Red Phazon. Then the dying Phazon Core (remember the room in the Impact Crater called "Phazon Core?") attracts a local creature to protect it, which just happens to be a Metroid that the Space Pirates have. Somehow it mutates it slightly to give it the abilities it needs to make its way safely to the Core. The Metroid tries to escape. Space Pirates don't want it to escape. '''So they try to incapacitate it with Power, Wave, Ice, and Plasma Troopers. The Metroid absorbs those abilities, along with the weakness to those same powes. In other words, because Space Pirate elemental Troopers are weak to their own weaponary, the Metroid absorbed that weakness when it absorbed their powers. The Metroid escapes, and the Leviathan gives it the abilities nessisary to get past the seal''' of the "Cradle." The Metroid, which we can now safely call the Metroid Prime, gets in and absorbs the Phazon Core. This is why there is no Phazon Core in the room called "Phazon Core." If the Metroid Prime simply protected the Phazon Core like all the other Leviathan Core Guardians, then the Core would die, because its sealed up in that darn temple thingy. So the Metroid Prime ABSORBS the Core, and gains the ability to create Phazon(from other things, of course, in case Piratehunter is reading this ^_^). Then it waits there, Samus comes, defeats it, Dark Samus is born, blah blah blah, they all live happily ever after. *keels over from exhuastion*.......................*recovers* So thats my idea. How does everyone else like it? Any problems? Squeemaster 21:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC) Now if you will excuse me I'm going to take a nice, long nap. Long Live the *yawn* Squees! *falls asleep*


 * However, from what was said in Chozo Lore, it seems like Prime came with the Leviathan. Besides, remember the Genesis Chamber on Phaaze and there were husks resembling that of the Metroid Prime. That kills that theory. I don't completely know what Prime is, and I doubt we will ever be sure. MarioGalaxy2433g5  10+ { talk /contribs/Logs} 22:04, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

True. Going back to my theory, i'm sure one of the Chozo logs (toilet humour not intended), it mentions a meteor containig MP, it's possible that Metroid prime wasn't launched on purpose, but maybe knocked off by another Leviathan leaving or something...? Besides, the size of the impact site would be somewhat dictated by the speed of the object, not necessarily its size.

Also, the scan data for MP core says- "Scan indicates that the Phazon energy form of Metroid Prime is invulnerable to all weapons..." this suggest's to me that it is pure Phazon, something similar to the Phazoid enemys that linger after the Leviathan's are destroyed.

Ark 23:30 6th August

Having said that, maybe we should take the "core essence" part literally, and perhaps assume its the "essence" of the core, the phazon energy?

Ark 23:45 6th August

M110 23:43, 27 October 2008 (UTC)== what if ==

well one, mp looks like an ing.im sure it has nothing to do with it.just saying.next,mp looks kinda like a queen metroid, but there are no queen metroids on tallon iv.it was a regular metroid.so imagine if a queen metroid got corrupted by phazon. that would stink.we would all like die lol.also, the tusks on phaaze of the mp means that there are other mp on phaaze.who knows maybe one of the mp went with a lavianth and there are more somewhere which is unlikly but still....

ok we know that in the genesis room on phaaze you can see mp tusk which means that metroids are there right? BUT!!!!!! how did the metriods get there? the chozo created them and clearly they never went to phaaze.something just popped in my head.maybe the space pirates took them to phaaze since they were under dark samus' rule. but that puts up another answer.mp couldnt have come from phaaze because the metroids got on phaaze by mp.so what happened was the lavianth came to tallon from phaaze.chozo sealed up impact crater.metroids were in the impact crater.a metroid mutated.it absorbed the lavianth. created phazon and craved it.it can create phazon because remeber in super metroid when the super metroid absorbed the mother brains hyper beam and gave it to samus? well the metroid obsorbed the lavianth.thats why you see a metroid prime core because the lavianth has a core.anyway samus defeats it. turns into dark samus(skipping metroid prime 2.)then under dark samus' rule metroids are put on phaaze.more metroid primes. the original mp couldnt have come from phaaze.M110 00:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)m110M110 00:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes the Metroid Prime does look like an Ing. Two, the thing about the Aurora doesn't belong on this talk page. Three, Metroid Prime might not be a real metroid. You can't be positive about what the Metroid Prime is, and where it came from. All we are positive about it origin-wise is that it is made of phazon. The MarioGalaxy2433g5  { talk /contribs/Logs} 18:46, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Well,first off,the name is metroid prime.I think retro studios put that as its name because it is a metroid.Second, the space pirate lore says it IS IN FACT a metroid. Here's what it says:the metroid prime's genetics is very simaler to a metroid. It cant be anything els but a metroid because the chozo created the metroid.there are no other creature that has simaler genetics to the metroid.They didnt evolve into a metroid over time.They were built,thus no other creature can be share the genes a metroid hasM110 21:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)m110M110 21:20, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

Its plain and simple.Metroid Prime abosorbed the lavianth's abilities.That's why there is a core.Thats why you have to overload it with phazon to kill the core.Just like to kill the core in mp3.Mp is the lavianth.M110 00:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)m110M110 00:03, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I have the artt and story booklet for prime trilogy, it says :"When she reaches the crater, Samus encounters Metroid Prime,  a metroid that has mutated into a terrible creature after absorbing a great amount of Phazon energy from the Phazon Core.  KaollaSu 17:51, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Aliens wiki
I recently found a new wiki. I don't know if anyone else has seen it but it is a wiki that is trying to make articles about all the aliens spoken of or seen in fictional media. It has an article about metroid prime, and it has a lot more pictures than Wikitroid's. I think it is worth a look: http://aliens.wikia.com/wiki/Metroid_Prime it also seems quite accurate. Supposedly it also has other aliens from metroid too. Hellkaiserryo12 19:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Good Lord! This is a threat to the great and powerful Wikitroid... Nah, just joking. I took a gander, and it doesn't seem to be that bad. Sure it's pretty accurate, but if you've been to that wikia you'll notice that it's obviously new, and still quite young. They've alot to work on before they're at par with our grand metroid-themed nation. P i r a t e h u n t e r [ADMIN] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 03:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, Most of it seems to be copied from Wikipedia, hence the many red links to 'non-alien' articles. Hellkaiserryo12 18:19, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Slumbering 'Form'


Anybody else notice how when it is sleeping, it looks like a face from the front? Should it go in the article? Hellkaiserryo12 13:49, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

You know how some butterflies have "faces" on their wings to scare predators away. Maybe its the same thing not that many things would want to sneak up on that scratch that many intelligent things. 5-8-09

Metroid Prime origin theory
Glad to see there's a lot of commotion in here about Prime's true origin. There's a pretty good thread on the MDb forums about this: http://mdb.classicgaming.gamespy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=367 12 PAGES of discussion and are we closer to finding out the truth? Possibly.

Most of this depends on if you want Metroid Prime to be a metroid (which I most certainly do). Some people don't care, but others feel that it should be one since the game is called Metroid Prime. The best theory is the following: (it's long, but I'll try to keep it simple.)


 * - Native Tallon IV Chozos predict the coming of the "worm." Eventually leave the plane of existence.
 * - The "worm" is the Leviathan core. This is the creature born inside of every Leviathan. The Leviathan core grows in there, while also nurturing Phazon inside of it. When a Leviathan core is "born," the phazon inside of it is full enough to corrupt the planet and begins to pour out over it. The newly "hatched" Leviathan core sacrifices its life due to its job being complete. (it was done nurturing the Phazon) As a defense mechanism, before the Leviathan (seed) dies, it also forms a psychic link with the strongest natural "predator" it can find and causes it to live in the seed to protect the core from anything that could stop it. This is the life cycle of a Leviathan.
 * - Leviathan hits Tallon IV. Phazon starts infecting planet.
 * - The disaster causes the Chozos to come back to this plane of existence, but eventually succumb to the power of phazon and become corrupted. Failing to completely save their planet, they create a last-ditch effort called the "Cipher" to completely seal off the Seed from further corrupting Tallon IV. Then they leave the plane of existence again.
 * - the Cipher is somewhat successful. While it seals the phazon in the Leviathan/seed/meteor, the phazon that did get out still corrupts a lot of the planet. Also, the Space Pirates aren't able to break into the Cipher without the Temple keys, which were hidden by the Chozo until Samus comes to fulfill her destiny.
 * - When the Space Pirates set up a base on Tallon IV in hopes to further their research on Metroids, they discover phazon, a resource with amazing mutagenic and power-enhancing qualities.
 * - A lone metroid breaks free from a Space Pirate research facility. The metroid has become obsessed with one thing: to make its way to the Leviathan. The reason it is compelled is because the Leviathan's defense mechanism has beckoned it to become its "predator," aka, the protector of the core. The metroid eventually makes its way into the Leviathan. However, it becomes corrupted by phazon while trying to get to the core. Doing so causes the metroid to gain the ability to...(wait for it)... phaze through solid objects and even go beyond the spectrum of color and light itself! Thus making slipping through the Cipher a piece of cake.
 * - Corrupted metroid gets into the core like a hot knife through butter. Since it is a metroid, its hunger for energy-producing resources of any kind is completely unstoppable. Its thirst for phazon is neverending. However while its munching down on all this phazon, the phazon slowly corrupts the metroid further, causing it to become something.... quite different than a metroid. It ends up becoming so corrupted with phazon that it is now an entirely new creature: one that can even propagate other metroids out of pools of phazon: fission metroids. It begins to form a dependency on phazon. So much that it needs it to live. It has become the "ultimate predator" corrupted by the Leviathan: Metroid Prime.
 * - MP sees Space Pirates as a threat and goes to try and destroy them. Pirates decide it is the escaped metroid from before and eventually dub it Metroid Prime. They try to capture it, but it is way too powerful as it begins to adapt Space Pirate weapons into its body.
 * - Space Pirates are no fun. MP runs back to the core of the Leviathan.
 * - Metroid Prime becomes too powerful, and its thirst for energy resources draws its attention to the core, which is still trying to nurture phazon inside of the seed.
 * - The Leviathan core is eventually consumed by Prime. Prime sees the husk of the core, which was almost completely mature at its time of death. It takes the husk and adapts it into its body like an exoskeleton. It has now become what we know as our first encounter of Metroid Prime. It's also a curse in disguse: While it may have gained strength/defense, it keeps it from phazing, causing it to be stuck inside of the Leviathan core area.

[* - a special ing that can survive in light world that mutated because of phazon and can not only steal their appearence but improve it like an X parasite. (Metroid101 18:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC))
 * - or it could be a phazon version of gorea (see my talk on gorea) (Metroid101 18:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC))] please do not edit or add points to my theory. --Infinitysend 04:24, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

And that's the story. Discuss.Infinitysend 06:03, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Before i read this i had a similar theory, but now you have that down, I completely agree. However, I think that Prime devoured the Leviathan, instead of killing it and "wearing it".

Of course, it would have assimilated some of the features, like a carapace, but that would be enhanched by Phazite. BTW, once the Metroid Phazed and got into the seed, did it turn into a Hopping Metroid? I think it did actually. Very good theory, I'll use this as my default conciencus now. :) Hellkaiserryo12 19:39, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I updated the theory after realizing I made a fairly large error on the "biology" of a Leviathan. Theory is similar, but worded slightly dfferently now to account for this. I apologize! Infinitysend 05:00, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

This theory (the one above, made by Infinitysend i think) is seemingly more satisfactory then simply accepting the possibility that Metroids somehow got to Phaaze all the way from SR388. The only change that needs to be done is the whole Space pirates having encountered the Metroid Prime and having adapted their weapons in its body. The Trilogy version's lore keeps the Metroid Prime locked within the impact crater, and it never meets the Space Pirates. Disappointing to some, I know, but it is now canon. (Latinlingo 06:04, June 13, 2010 (UTC))

The worm
I don't think Metroid Prime is the "Worm" The Chozo talked about. It probably was going to be at the time of the game's release but Corruption Retconned it.


 * Chozo logs describe the worm and the quote at the top of the article " Only the holder of 12 will face the Worm", meaning that they are reffering to the final boss. Think of it this way. Tallon IV is an apple. MP is a worm, eating and devoring at the core of a planet. Hellkaiserryo12 23:59, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, i did some thinking, and you could be right. The worm could be the leviathan core and the leviathan corrupted a Metroid to protect it.

Did you guys completely skip over my Origin theory? It's the one right above this. Might want to give it a read... <_< 76.183.227.202 02:00, 19 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I read some of it, but I don't like the idea of Prime being a Leviathan, sespite how much evidence you have. Why would it be called Metroid Prime if it is a Leviathan? Hellkaiserryo12 13:02, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Heh, you might want to try reading through it again then, because in no way did I say Prime was a Leviathan. Prime is just wearing the Leviathan's skin. Infinitysend 15:31, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Guys read my theory on Talk gorea at how gorea and metroid prime have more relation than we think. you know it could have ABSORBED the leviathan and stole all its powers. Gorea absorbs the hunters abilities and metroid prime absorbed the phazon suit. (Metroid101 18:37, 30 August 2009 (UTC))


 * Just remember to keep this within the talk pages, guys. Theories and Wikitroid articles go together like Ammonia and Bleach! Armantula513 [ADMIN] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 21:35, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Year of Arrival
In the Space Pirate Logs in Metroid Prime, they said that Leviathan on Tallon IV appeared to have arrived nearly 20 years earlier. But, in Metroid Prime 3, Federation logs have the Leviathan's impact at fifty years prior. Metroid Prime and Prime 3 can't THAT far apart, so which year is correct? Could it just be differences in the calendar? But the Chozo present at Tallon IV remember Samus when she first arrived on Zebes, and Samus can be guessed to be around 20-30. I would expect the Federation's calendar to be closer to that of ours, rather than the Pirates' calendar being closer, but why the big difference in years? User:Tuckerscreator 20:41 18 March 2008

I read through some more Pirate lore in Metroid Prime 3 regarding the subject but it only made the problem bigger! It said that Phazon had been discovered 2 years before the vents of Corruption, so now we can't go with the easy answer of "Metroid Prime 3 and Prime 1 are 30 years apart and Samus simply didn't happen to age." Why does Retro do this? And in the same game too! User:Tuckerscreator 29:12 05 April 2009

FACE
I paused the part where Metroid Prime is hanging from the ceiling, and the spike on its "head" opens, (upside down). I flipped the image so we could see it the right way up, and paused it just where it opens. Do you not think that looks like a human face? It has two eyes, a nose and looks like it is contained in the exoskeleton. The core form did not have the same face. Whether this is hinting at some sort of human fusion with the metroid or is just there for scaring us, (well maybe not you), it is interesting. It is touched on in the article (CTRL and F and then type in the search tab "face") it really scares me! Yes. I'm a wimp. Hellkaiserryo12 20:57, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

I also examined the Metroid Prime's trophy in Super Smash Bros Brawl and there really is a face! The Core Form does not have the same type of face but its eyes are the same. Dark Samus has similar face but it has three eyes instead. User:Tuckerscreator 20:36 23 March 2009

I was watching a video about the extras unlockable on the New Play Control! Metroid Prime when the guy playing it looked in the concept art. I finished the original game's concept art, but it seems i missed this or it wasn't in the original. This comes from the next image after the concept art of Metroid Prime's core.

I printscreened it in HD and here it is: Hellkaiserryo12 14:19, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The question is, of course, WHAT IS THE FACE BEING THERE FOR!!! I guess it's just to creep us out, like Seaman and that spider/man boss in Odama. Since the image flashes by so quickly, and the glow of the eyes right after tend to cover it, I wonder, who was the first person here who pointed out: "What the? Is that a FACE!!!" That, and who was the guy at Retro who thought of putting a face there? They should probably get more sleep at night.

That puts me in a "quotey" mood. Here is a quote from game developer Yoot Saito in an interview with Nintendo Power, regarding the use of human faces on monsters.

"What people consider typically monstrous faces have been done to death in other games. People often think of human faces and hands as the most beautiful among all life-forms, and I can't disagree, but they can be terrifying, as well."

User:Tuckerscreator 13:30 03 April 2009

I don`t know what the face is but I do know that Metroid Primes second face is the real one along with everything else seen thereIf you scan it says Metroid Prime core essence in other words the actual Metroid Prime its face body everything is what Metroid Prime truly looks like. 5-8-09

Another Metroid Prime Origin Theory
If none of you mind, I have my own theory as to how the Metroid Prime got to Tallon IV. In this theory,

1. Metroid Prime is the Worm

2. Metroid Prime came with the Leviathan.

3. Metroid Prime is native to Sr388.

Theory
1. Galactic Federation sends Research team to SR388.

2. As the ship leaves the planet, it is raided by a Pirate vessel and its crew.

3. Metroid organisms in canisters are stolen.

4. Somehow, one canister is lost and floats off into space and is either unable to be retrieved or forgotten.

5. Frightened Metroid floats off into space.

6. Is found by a Leviathan who heads out to claim it, absorbs inside itself, and then warps to Tallon IV.

As for the shell it appears to be wearing, I think that's the shell it developed after stealing the Space Pirate weaponry. The Pirates mention that it began growing it after it escaped, and the design of the armor does indeed resembled the helmet of Beam Troopers. User:Tuckerscreator 21:05 23 March 2009

Infinity's End

And how do you explain the other carapace laying around the Leviathan infant's room at the very end of Prime 3 that just happens to look exactly like the one that Metroid Prime's 1st form is wearing? There wasn't any "Space Pirate weaponry" on Phaaze... Take a closer look at hopper metroids and premature Leviathan infants that you destroy after every boss in Corruption. Infinitysend 04:24, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Tucker's Creator

The carapace may have been formed from another metroid brought by Dark Samus. However, I did notice the fact that the Hopping Metroid looks very much like the Prime, only smaller. For that, I would say that all Metroids on Phaaze are imported, after the Pirates' arrival to Phaaze. As for the carapace, It's likely that a premature carapace of sorts forms as a result of Phazon exposure, as seen with the Hopping Motroids but it never reaches the stage as advanced as that of the Prime. The carapace on Phaaze may have been from a Hopping Metroid that was on Phaaze long enough that it grew bigger, though I don't know what happened to the Metroid within. The reason why I believe that THE Metroid Prime's carapace came from absorbing Space Pirate weaponry is because the Pirate logs all say that it grew after it stole their weapons. It was likely a result of both Phazon and the Pirate weaponry.User:Tuckerscreator 22:01 30 March 2009

Infinity's End

"it grew after it stole their weapons." Big deal, that means absolutely nothing. It doesn't say anywhere that it evolved/metamorphosed that carapace specifically after absorbing their weapons. The evidence is more than clear: There is absolutely NO reason for them to have placed an Exo Prime-looking carapace in *THE LEVIATHAN INFANT ROOM* if they didn't want us to assume that it was related in some way to the Leviathan. Be it absorbing the core, or "growing it" on its own, or what. Here's a task for you: with the camera tool unlocked, play Prime 3 and beat a boss. When it plays the part where you have to vent your PED suit to destroy the core, take a REAL GOOD look at its legs -- EXACTLY like the exo form of Primes. Coincidence? I THINK NOT. In short: Metroid Prime is most likely a phazon metroid that ate/absorbed the Leviathan core. After it did this, its physiology changed so drastically that it became something completely different than a metroid. The result is Metroid Prime's exo form: Metroid Prime melded with the core of the Leviathan. Is that really too much to handle? Infinitysend 22:06, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Tucker's Creator

Please don't shout me, Infinity, it hurts my ears.(Just kidding, but please try not to be so abrasive.)

Yes, the lore does say that the shell growth came specifically after stealing the Pirates weapons. Look at these lines in the Space Pirate lore:

''Metroid Prime assimilated several weapons and several weapons and defense systems...the gear is now an integral part of its body...it has begun to manifest unusual mutations SINCE ITS BREACH. These include armor plating on its epidermis and mechanical outgrowths that generate defense screens. These screens render it invulnerable to most weapon systems, but a flaw in the mutation leads to increased vulnerability to certain weapons. It compensates for this by shifting the screens quickly.''

The exo-skeleton is said here to have come after it broke through the Pirate's containment for it. The next piece of lore is after it had escaped back to the Impact Crater. Not only the design of the shell resemble the armor of Beam Troopers, but it also seems to have assimilated their weakness to the dominant weapon in use at the time. This implies a connection to me.

As for the Leviathan core, yes, I have taken many looks at its "legs."(That sounded weird.) They look more like feelers of sorts to me but though they may bear some resemblence to the Metroid Prime's legs, the fact is that both were created to resemble insects and so they will have similar looking legs, even though this does not force a connection. One example: if you look at the eye of an octopus, and the eye of a human, you see that they are very similar. Yet an octopus is in no way a cousin species to a human. It is the same with the Metroid Prime.

I may have to explain one thing, just to be safe: '''I am not arguing against the possibility that the Metroid Prime ate the Leviathan Core, as this seems very likely to me. What I am arguing against is that the Leviathan is the "Worm." and that the Metroid Prime exoskeleton was from a direct result of ingesting it.''' About your theory about the Worm being the Leviathan core, one of the Chozo lore seems to contradict it, as it says that the Worm was "born of parasites." This is a direct reference to Metroids, and implies that the Metroid Prime came with the Leviathan.

I fomulated my above theory because of the major plot hole of: Where did the Metroid Prime come? I decided that it was from SR388 for several reasons:

1. The Metroid Prime website says this.

2. There is no evidence for Metroids having been on Tallon IV before or during the Chozo colonization.

3. There is also no evidence for the Metroid Prime having been an escaped Metroid from the Pirates there. The cold in Phendrana likely would have killed it, the Pirates give no sign of any such breach(which Retro likely would have dropped to hint at the Metroid Prime's origins), and the player will naturally assume "the Worm" refers to the Metroid Prime, there for it came with the Leviathan. User:Tuckerscreator 27:37 05 April 2009

Chozo Boy

This is a very confusing topic, made more confusing by the variant Lores in different regions. I think we should wait a few months and see what happens with Metroid Prime (New Play Control!)'s Lore when it hits all of the territories. ChozoBoy (Talk/Contribs) 05:47, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Tucker's Creator

I don't know if the New Play Control will bring anything new with the lore. The game was ported very quickly and they didn't seem to be concerned about mending other canon issues that turned up, such as where Samus's Gravity Suit went. I personally don't think that there will be any change to the lore but anything's possible for now, unless somebody here can read Japanese (or Chozo.) User:Tuckerscreator 13:27, 3 April 2009

Chozo Boy

Excellent Yoot Saito quote! I'm a big fan of Odama! There are many reasons why upgrades could "dissapear" between games, but that isn't really what I meant. I was suggesting that they might choose a canon, not create a new one. If you didn't know, the US has a set of lore, and Europe has a conflicting one that says things like Prime was found in the Impact Crater, or something. I'm hoping that all of the versions of the game will decide on one, and I'm also hoping that we get the additions that Europe and Japan got like voice acting, etc. ChozoBoy (Talk/Contribs) 20:52, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

Tucker's Creator

Oh, okay, I see now. I personally like to stick to the lore in the NSCT version, because it makes more sense(to me) that the Metroid Prime stole Pirate weaponry, rather than it just Happening to be there. Unless it is decided ultimately by Nintendo, we might never fully know. I hate that it's been left that vague, but thats just the way we'll have to roll. Oh, and I'm glad you liked the quote. Yoot Saito is AWESOME.User:Tuckerscreator 14:03 5 April 2009

the new play control version should solve this with it's scans

I say almost all of you are part right my theory (farther down the page)includes the eating of the leviathan (core), taking and adapting space pirate weapons and defenses and some other stuff but I think it is safe to say no one but the creators know Metroid Primes Origin. 5-8-09

"Split" Discussion
I know this is sort of weird, but what would you guys think of spiltting this article into Metroid Prime (Exo) and Metroid Prime (Core). It would cut the "Battle Guide" stuff down, allow for more detailed/concise information on the nature of each, and help keep consistancy with the other "Metroid mutation" articles, in that each has thier own page. I realize that this one is a bit strange in that it is also a character, but the character is already split for its other form and I do feel the subject would benefit from two articles. Would anyone be up to this? If so, be careful because this is obviously an important article, and sections like the infobox would have to be more focused on the specific form, as opposed to both. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 21:56, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm...sounds like a good idea. It would take quite a bit of work. We would have to make sure the two pages are linked. i'm not too sure though, I think the article is fine as it is really. I await other opinions. Hellkaiserryo12 22:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

They'd have to be linked to DS, too. It would pretty much just be like doing a new Metroid line. ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 22:07, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

It would be a real pain to do, but it seems like a logical decision. Each form has almost no similarities to each other, and they are considered to be separate as bosses, scans, and in Brawl. Sounds like a major project... Zeruel21 22:11, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

If we were to do this, which page would detail the Metroid Prime's history and which would detail more the battle? User:Tuckerscreator 17:02 01 May 2009

What, do we need articles for all three of Empy Ing's forms too? For both of Mother Brain's in SM? Both of SA-X's? Metroid Prime is Metroid Prime. Dazuro 00:10, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

I'd have to agree with Dazuro. The Metroid Prime Exo and Core are the same entity and I can't see anything good coming out over two seperate pages, because it would be difficult to decide which to put the biography on, and the fact that both pages would have much of the same information repeated. Unlike having a seperate page for Dark Samus, which is a good idea because, her creation came after not during the Metroid Prime's life, the Exo and Core were simultaneous and so it would just end up being two of the same pages with just the battle info different. This article is already good enough as it is, good enough I think it should be nominated to be afeatured article. So I disagree. User:Tuckerscreator 17:32 01 May 2009

Indeed. Sure, we have separate articles for Ridley, Meta Ridley, and Omega Ridley, but those are fought across separate games at separate times. Prime and Prime are fought right in a row and have the exact same history and location. It's completely unecessary. Dazuro 02:19, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Just one more theory
The core of Metroid Prime is a highly evolved Metroid on Phaaze. There's Metroids on Phaaze already so it could happen. The husks in the leviathan chamber are the exoskeleton of leviathan infants. When they leave the womb they develop the exo and then shed it off when they get large enough, like snakes or shellfish.

So how about Metroid Prime either gets inside an abandoned husk or kills the owner and gets in one, and makes it's way to a leviathan old enough to launch off the planet. It can get inside the leviathan ( Samus' ship could get in one without trouble ), and stow away when it takes off.

After the leviathan crashes on Tallon IV but before it can get a creature to protect the core, Metroid Prime ( still in the exo ) could kill the core and live in the leviathan. Insert the game.

Also, since levis leave the womb with a core inside them, the outside of the husk and all organs inside could be the living leviathan, with the core somewhere in the levis body. The exo shape will need to change or shed off to actually look like a leviathan around the time when it takes off, but the core of the levi is still living inside.

The orange Phazon could be unique since it's from Metroid Prime, and the face is obviously just Primes natural features. The expression could be enhanced by the curves and shape of the hard exo, since Prime is jellyfish-like. The sideview image showing a very dominant nose is just concept art and probably not canon anyway.

And the cradle made to keep out intruders doesn't really say how, so I'll say the pirates really did just dig under it and found prime. -Ransnorkel


 * The problem with this theory is: How did the Metroids get on Phaaze? The Chozo brought the Metroids to SR388, and judging from their lore at Elysia, they had no idea where Phaaze was, it was too far away. Secondly, the Prime husk doesn't seem to be part of the Leviathan infant, because the infant is stuck inside the womb. Thirdly, the Cradle functions as a energy shield, it is impossible to dig *under* it because there is no under. And the orange Phazon is a concentration that formed from being stuck inside the Cradle for so long.--Tuckerscreator 19:05, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Metroids seem to have become a plague around the galaxy on their own accord. Phazon Metroids can survive in space at any rate. The husk forms AFTER the infant leaves the womb. From what I've read there's conflicting lore for the PAL/US version of the games, so whatever space pirate interaction there was is disputable. -Ransnorkel

Even that doesn't work. Even if the Metroids could leave SR388 by themselves, it would take them centuries to reach PHaaze, even if they were traveling at the speed of light! The Metroids on Phaaze must have been brought by the Space Pirates or Dark Samus, because it was impossible for them to get there on their own. Plus, right after the infant Leviathan leaves the womb, when it is born, is when the Leviathan is shot out into space, so the husk from the core would have no way of getting back to Phaaze. It's impossible.--Tuckerscreator 21:46, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Well then yea, Dark Samus brings Metroids to Phaaze. And the Leviathan spends a lot of time getting to the surface, "The serpentine organ moves the adolescent from deep inside Phaaze and releases it closer to the planet's surface. Here the bioform will continue to grow and mature beneath its older siblings. As time passes and the older ones are launched into space, the Leviathan will slowly make its way to the planet's surface." There is a long time gap between birth and when they're launched into space. Thus giving the infant Levi time to shed at least one exoskeleton husk. -Ransnorkel

That still doesn’t make any sense, Ransnorkel, as your theory is about the orgin of the Metroid Prime. Since Dark Samus ‘’’IS’’’ the Metroid Prime, that means that Dark Samus had to be around in order to put in a Metroid that went to Tallon IV, became the Metroid Prime, and then became Dark Samus. Unless this involves time travel, this theory does not make any sense. Tuckerscreator 17:56, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Oh wait crap yea I noticed that. Well, besides the mystery of how Metroids got to Phaaze the rest works. -Ransnorkel

How Metroid Prime came to be
Metroid Primes Origin is unknown but the Space Pirates found Him/Her and did tests (they wanted the Phazon it was producing) Metroid Prime broke free and covered itself in armor and weapons. In the game when you scan the 2 creatures that are the end bosses the first says Metroid Prime and the second Metroid Prime pure essence neither have anything to do with the Leviathan; except that in Wikitroid (yes this website) It states that Metroid Prime may have been consuming to much phazon eventually eating the leviathan. I`m Pretty sure that they meant the core since the shell would be tough to eat. That`s why you don`t see the core. Now Metroid Prime still lived on for the next 2 games; after You beat Metroid Prime the Second time it Absorbs your Phazon suit and with the DNA of it became the phazon hungry dark Samus. Emperor Ing Might have a similar thing happen with the leviathan consumption but that`s another thread. I`m sure you can find parts of this theory in other parts of this page but not all together so I find that everyone was part right but no one really knows the origin 5-8-09

Ok guys.... it simply says it through out the data.... Simply they had some problems bridging the gaps... first things first... Dark samus was shooting of seeds like crazy in MP3... premature ones.. but Aether and Tallon both were mature... i may just be retarded but Ing Emperor and MP with carapace on look the very close.... now by far you guys are looking too much into the fact it says MP is the source of all phazon (on Tallon duhhhhhh thanks to the leviathan) it also explains... the pirate did have prime in a suspended stasis of ice force field, but she/it dispatched them and took the weapons***and to my knowledge i think it says armor.... maybe its carapace

But here is some food for thought.... why are they called Tallon Metroids..... the meteor hit 50 years prior to the game.... and if the pirates were there... whos to say A. They are natural.... B. Pirates brought em.... not need to get nerd ragey...


 * MP2 leviathan hit 70 years prior to MP(MP=50 + MP2(add 20)=70) THAT SEED HAD A LOOOOOONG TIME TO DECAY.... and it phazon radiated the ING... to be it guardian...

Lol Metroid Prime Most likely like majority acknowledges... is the chosen guardian for the Tallon Seed... i dont think the developers wanted to be morons and name it metroid prime... if it wasn't a mutated metroid lawwwwwwls. write more sometime

edit * just throw this out there... Dark Samus no longer is with the seed... meaning no producing phazon Anon/Metroid dude.... played Super Metroid when i was 6.... yeah great game june 25/26


 * You have you have your data all wrong. The Leviathan could not have come 70 years before the events of Metroid Prime #. I'm assuming you got the numbers 20 years and 50 years from the Pirate and GF lore.

First, those numbers would not add up to 70 years, because if Corruption says 50 years, then it would be 30 years in between Corruption and Prime. You must have added wrong.

Secondly, the date of 50 years in the GF lore is more likely either a mistake or the differences in GF and Pirate calendars. It Can Not be a recton. Here's why: The Chozo lived on Tallon IV before the Leviathan and the Pirates came. Those Chozo knew Samus, as they mentioned having found her and forging her Power Suit in the lore they left behind. Then the Leviathan came and the Pirates who arrived later calculated its impact to be 20 years before their own arrival. Since Samu was only a child when these Chozo left for Tallon IV, it then logically follows that Samus is roughly 20 years old. But if you are to follow the GF date of 50 years, then it would follow that Samus is 50 Years Old, which is highly unlikely because she looks so young. There could not have been 30 years separating Prime and Corruption because the Pirates in corruption say that the events on Tallon IV occured 2 Years earlier, not 30. Therefore, it is impossible to reconcile both dates. you can only accept the Pirates' calendar.

Your theory also does not explain where the Metroid Prime came from. How did it get on the Leviathan?--Tuckerscreator 19:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

As well, the in-game scans say nothing about a Leviathan or Phaaze because, at the time, nobody knew that either existed. Samus's computer is smart, but not all-knowing.  D ash R aptor  21:56, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

True Origin
In the artbook that came with Trilogy, it states that Prime was a local metroid that had gotten into the core and mutated from exposure to too much phazon.Morgil27 18:41, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Does it ellaborate or is that it? Can you write that bit here word for word, that would be useful. Hell Kaiser ryo12 [ ADMIN ] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 20:17, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

"When she reached the crater, Samus encounters Metroid Prime, a Metroid that has mutated into a terrible creature after absorbing a great amount of Phazon energy from the Phazon Core. Metroid Prime, serving as the Phazon Core's guardian, attack Samus and a fierce battle ensues. However, during the fight, a powerful ability hidden within Samus emerges. Empowered by the will of the Chozo, Samus harnesses the power if Phazon to defeat Metroid Prime. In its final moments, Metroid Prime grows unstable and attaches itself to Samus's Phazon Suit, tearing it from Samus before exploding.

"It seemed that the Phazon threat had been eliminated, but this was not the case. After Samus left Tallon IV, the few remaining cells of Metroid Prime began to secretly multiply using the gene information taken from Samus's suit."

It doesn't really say that it was a local Metroid that wandered in, though it does confirm that the Metroid Prime was the Core Guardian for the Leviathan; if not the original one, then it certainly took on the role later.  D ash R aptor  21:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)


 * At least we now know it is a Metroid. The Phazon Core was probably further in the Impact crater, and got blown up when prime died. Hell Kaiser ryo12 [ ADMIN ] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 15:30, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Or it's possible that it absorbed the entire core. This would account for its ability to produce Phazon itself, which none of the other guardians did.  D ash R aptor  15:53, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Really, why does Prime's ability to generate Phazon have to be because it 'maybe possibly absorbed the Leviathan's Core somehow'? Was I wrong to assume this ability stemmed from the Metroid's natural affinity for energy and, consequentially, the Infant Metroid's established ability to transfer its own energy into something else? :/ SteveZombie 01:54, September 23, 2009 (UTC)


 * Omega Ridley could generate Phazite, does that count? Hell Kaiser ryo12 [ ADMIN ] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 16:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * He could? Huh, forgot that bit. Well, ignore that point, then ;D  D ash R aptor  19:07, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * My guess is that the core allows the guardian to generate Phazon too, more so in the cases of Leviathans that have longer life. This would explain Omega Ridley's ability to generate Phazite, as he was the longest lived. And Metroid Prime had been there for years. Hell Kaiser ryo12 [ ADMIN ] (Talk&bull;Contribs) 16:21, 27 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah, true enough. And the Emperor Ing, the Guardian of Aether's Leviathan, was the only Ing to have absorbed Phazon at all. So while they may have the ability to generate it, not all might have had the chance to use it in their battle with Samus.  D ash R aptor  16:37, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

So with all this new and reconned info from Trilogy, could somebody get rid of all the damn specualtion and clean this article up? I already got rid of one whole speculatory paragraph but I'm only one man.Zabbeth 18:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm about to clean up the article and get rid of the silly speculation stuff. If you guys want a pretty clear origin theory, | please read mine, it's pretty detailed and most Prime fans agree with it.Infinitysend 04:27, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

I haven't been around for a while, so I don’t know if any new discoveries have been made with the Prime lore, but while we should get rid any unnecessary speculation, let’s hold off on choosing anyone’s specific theory, as their still some debate with all of them.Tuckerscreator 17:40, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

But Infinity, looking over your revision of the article, I think you did a very good job of keeping it neutral and properly explaining all the problems. Great job. Tuckerscreator 18:01, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, dude. This is a very important article, so I think it's best to get it to a sufficient level of accuracy.Infinitysend 18:15, September 10, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks IE! This article made me want to cry when I looked at it. Maybe we should mention the Phazon Metroid spin on the Crater entrance? ChozoBoy [ADMIN] (Talk/Contribs) 01:45, September 11, 2009 (UTC)

I was looking at the face part of this Talk Page, it made me think just this... Has anybody here seenCoraline? Remember the Other Mother, who took victim by victim? Maybe Metroid Prime was a killer metroid in the shawdows, who kept the form of their victim and used it. Then it landed on Tallon IV, and got so Phazon-Corrupted by the levithan, that it lost it's shape, but still had the face. That's how Metroid Prime could turn into Dark Samus, just by eating Samus's Phazon Suit, and changing form. Maybe, MP was THE other metroid, a shape-shifter metroid?--Captain SilverCaptain Silver 09:29, January 18, 2010 (UTC)

Interesting theory Captain Silver, but no way to support it (other words, no evidence, hope i dont sound to mean :. I'm starting to take a liking to Infinityend's theory of Metroid Prime's origin. It explains everything while staying true to most, if not all, established facts in the Metroid and Prime Series. If we take the Trilogy version's lore as canon though, the Metroid Prime never met the Space Pirates and adapted their equipment into itself (but this is the only change needed). As for HellKaiserryo's info about Omega Ridley being able to generate Phazite, i saw a video of him acquiring the armor, and it seems as if he vaccums the surrounding phazon onto his chest and forms the phazite (in other words, he doesnt create Phazon to make phazite, he can manipulate phazon's structure though). Hence, Metroid Prime is the only creature other than the core that creates Phazon.

Yet another theory
I have read most theories and more then half of this page, there was too much to read... This is how I feel it happens. Warning, I am known to write a lot. _________________________
 * Chozo inhabited Tallon IV, bringing Metroids with them to kill the X Parasites.
 * the Leviathan hit, sending Phazon through the planet.
 * Most of the Chozo left, those that remained (not including the 12 of the Artifacts) died due to results of the Phazon
 * a Metroid goes into the Leviathan and gets horribly corrupted/mutilated/mutated by Phazon
 * the Leviathan, long after it dies, starts to decompose, while the inside structure stays intact, the Phazon turns orange due to being stuck and unable to spread
 * Space Pirates land, and find the old ruins and the Impact Crater, along with Phazon
 * Pirates explore the Crater and take Prime back with them
 * Prime absorbs/steals Pirate weapon/armor systems and escapes or is released back to the Core
 * Prime assimilates the weapons into its body (optional, may have been done) and rests.
 * Samus arrives, kicks everyone's ass above the crater
 * She enters the crater and finds Prime
 * Kicks it's shell/exterior form/husk's ass, causing it to become the core
 * She kills Prime for good, but it tries to take Samus out with it
 * Instead, it only absorbs the Phazon in her

Prime 2 starts _________________________
 * With no Leviathan remaining after splitting the world in 2, the Phazon and guardian stay alive and present
 * insert backstory of Luminoth here
 * Pirates and GF (soon to die out) arrive
 * Pirates recognize Phazon, while the GF don't even know of it until after game is done.
 * Pirates discover Dark Aether and the Ing. Dark Samus, too.
 * But DS kicks the assess of both the Ing and Pirates
 * the Ing fear and follow DS
 * Pirates supply DS with Phazon to not get killed and kill normal Samus
 * insert gameplay up to before the Sky Temple
 * Samus kicks Emperor Ing (who was the Ing's Alpha + the most powerful Energy Controller's power + Phazon)
 * Dark Samus returns for the last time in MP2
 * But only gets her arse handed to her. (I believe DS is Prime up to her defeat now. As when Prime took Samus's Phazon Suit, it took some of her DNA and replicated her.)

Prime 3 Now at this point, Dark Samus is not Prime anymore. Just the Phazon Suit plain to give it form, some of Samus's DNA, and (probably about) 95% pure Phazon (most likely less though).

~ Pg a ns  @ 15:09 EST

Nice theory. However, there is one BIG hole in it. X-parasites only inhabit SR-388, which makes bringing metroids stupid for the Chozo. Also, talk pages are for discussing page improvements, not making theories. That's what Forums are for.-- Deku tulla  ZM  16:48, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, but with where the X are, if they've never been to Tallon IV, how would know that the X aren't there? But with where this belongs, I had the right page to put this in, except I typed this on the wrong page. It fits here, but not properly. ~ Pg a ns  18:00, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

It's called "scouting ahead". -- Deku tulla  ZM  18:25, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

Well, maybe a Metroid got aboard and stowed away without the Chozo knowing. ~ Pg a ns  18:33, February 28, 2010 (UTC)

to the above theory ^, you may be correct. but that would mean the metroid would have to evolve to a Queen or that other metroid from MP3 i can think of now, and that has only be found to happen on Zebes, Pirate Homeworld, and Norion. and if that didnt happen, the only other way it could have reproduced would be if the only metroid wandered into the Laviathan and reproduced as Metroid Prime. But, the Chozo must have been there for hundreds or thousands of years before it had even landed on Tallon 4. and metroid cant survive on their own for that long. There were probably metroids taken over because the Chozo felt like it. The did create them, they must've been proud of it, so they took some with them. (Metroid.pie 20:31, July 15, 2010 (UTC))

Phaaze
Was the Metroid from Phaaze? This article says "there's nothing to suggest that it was not from Phaaze". But I know there is something to suggest...

Look at the Zero Mission comic, and you'll see that Metroids were made when Samus was like 20 years old or something. Metroid Prime says the Leviathan struck Tallon IV 20 years before Samus' arrival on the planet. Corruption even says 50 years prior. My question is: is it fair to say that "there's nothing to suggest that it was not from Phaaze" when there definitely IS something to suggest that. It's just not true that the Metroid lived on Phaaze around that time.

If you don't only think off the fact that Metroids weren't created yet, you still have the problem with Metroids being on Phaaze. How could they be on Phaaze? On their own? They just left SR388 like that, and thought: let's go to Phaaze? NO! Off course not. It became obvious, from learning that the Pirates and Dark Samus found Phaaze after the events on Aether, that the Metroids were brought there by Pirates.

Please change the article, because Wikitroid doesn't get better from telling lies to people, who don't know as much about this subject. I know that there's a lot of people who are simply IN LOVE with the theory that all guardians came from Phaaze, but that's just not the way it was... I'm sorry. Kihunter 0:16, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

I never thought that Prime was from Phaaze, I thought it was a heavily corrupted metroid that mutated, hence why husks were on Phaaze because you only need phazon to evolve into Prime. Metroid101 23:11, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Are you serious? There's actually people who believe Mogenar and Helios came from Phaaze? LOL. Anyways, Kihunter, i could try to emphasize either on the trivia section or on the origins paragraph about this inconsistency that exists (metroids apparently not existing before Prime 1's events) in a way that doesnt tick anyone off. Though a part of what you say is already mentioned in the article (like the part how in the world did metroids get on Phaaze is questioned in the article itself). Keep in mind also that even in the Zero Mission manga, there ARE existing inconsistencies, and you should not COMPLETELY base your opinions off of it. The Metroid series itself has been retconned quite a few times i assure you. Soon enough we'll see if Other M changes the story again. (24.201.170.219 01:23, July 14, 2010 (UTC))

Yes, that's because the games were made by R&D1, Retro and Team Ninja, which is good because of the variation, but there was a whole lot of things that Retro didn't keep in mind. It's a shame, cause now we must argue about that. I think the stuff Nintendo made (like the comic), must count as the most important reference, but Retro screwed up on this a few times. Luckily it's Nintendo + Team Ninja for Other M, so I think the story will be fine for this one. Kihunter, 19:14, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

But thats the strange/sad part: the Zero Mission manga, apparently official from Nintendo itself, contains inconsistancies. And the original 2D Metroid series (without the Prime series' intervention) have modified their stories in the past as well. In other words, Nintendo/R&D1 have their own share of screw ups too. (24.201.170.219 05:36, July 15, 2010 (UTC))

What inconsistencies? Kihunter, 18:26, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

The biggest inconsistency in the manga is the creation of Metroids themselves, which I first took notice of in another talk page. Early on in the manga, around when Samus encounters the gun-handling butterflies (that was silly, honestly), Mother Brain informs the Chozo that the cultivation of Metroids on SR388 is progressing steadily. Now skip a few years to the part JUST before Zebes is invaded by the Space Pirates: the Chozo are discussing about the X parasite, and then Grey Voice enters Tourian with an infant metroid, and the conversation that takes place in that scene HEAVILY hints at that infant being the FIRST Metroid ever created (and very recently too) and currently the only Metroid existing. At that moment, Pirates attack. Later on, Galactic Federation researchers are killed while exploring SR388 by MULTIPLE Metroids. Now here are the problems with all of this: if the first and only existing metroid was in Tourian at the moment when Pirates invaded and conquered Zebes, how did Metroids get to SR388 and multiplied before the researchers arrived (the Space Pirates that invaded Zebes no doubt got a hold of the infant, so i sincerely doubt they planted the metroids on SR388)? And the fact that Mother Brain said a few years earlier that Metroids were being cultivated on SR388 makes this all the more weird. The Chozo make no mention of creating a Metroid Queen to produce Metroids, and nothing about the jellyfish metroid stage being the first of many stages (maybe the Chozo are oblivious to their creation being able to evolve???). If i remember correctly in the manga, the Chozo on Zebes make no mention of having relatives (other Chozos) in SR388.

Now about the manga being canon or not. All of the Other M footage currently available makes absolutely no mention of those two partners that Samus had during her early years (Kreatz and Mauk). In fact, Other M is introducing a character that Samus had supposedly befriended during her younger years, but did not appear in the manga at all: Anthony Higgs (Remember me? No sir, we do not :D). I am aware that the game hasnt even been released and the manga-only characters might eventually appear in Other M in flashbacks, but for the time being... Also, the Zero Mission instruction manual's prologue talks about the Federation Police having launched a full scale assault on Zebes, without having any success. That NEVER happened in the manga until DURING Samus's Zero Mission. Finally, a itty bitty inconsistency is how the name Metroid was decided: some sources say it was the Federation that named the creatures, others say it was translated from Chozo writings, and the manga say it was Samus herself who officially named them (for the Federation). There are other inconsistencies that exist within the series created by Nintendo, so I say once again, Nintendo/R&D1 have their own share of screw ups and not just Retro. Many, including myself, are currently not considering the Manga as 100% canon. (24.201.170.219 04:24, August 1, 2010 (UTC))

Yes, there are many flaws, and many different stories to believe. Everybody has his own view on the story. I believe that the Chozo named the Metroids, and that it is translated: ultimate warrior. I also believe that there were Chozo on SR388, because of the ruins Samus finds on the planet. I think Metroids were made when Samus was like 20 years old, and that the one Grey Voice took with him was the only one at the time. It's just a matter of picking different fragments to make a full story. I think I picked these to make sure that the Metroid did not come from Phaaze. That still feels impossible. BTW, could you check the talk page on the Phazon Suit. I had a feeling I found an explanation for the suit's powers. Thanks. Kihunter, 20:40, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

Why is this even being discussed?
The Lore Entires in Prime and about the Leviathan cores leaves absolutely no doubt. Hey, what was the strongest predator on Tallon befoe the space pirates got there? I can tell you right now, it wasn't the Chozo. Obvious origins are obvious. Some people just want to accept what they believe are more convincing realities in their science fiction stories.

Not fanfic- this is something that is in the game, as fact. Reading Comprehension a must. No between the lines necessary.

Metroid Prime is a mutated Tallon Iv metroid. If you think the seal around the Impact Crater was ACTUALLY flawless, you have serious logical flaws.The Chozo were technologically and spiritually advanced, but they weren't magical. Theres no way to seal off every nook and cranny of a Meteor Impact. They sealed the main entrance (AKA, where Samus lands into the leviathans in MP3). Metroids are gelatinous creatures. Very flexible. Did you know mice can fit through 1/4" holes in your house? Now imagine a metroid doing that. Pretty plausible to me. Especially since the lore in MP1 and Mp3 completely back up this happening.

How did metroid Prime get the beam tech? THERES the only mystery. He would have had to have taken a few 'excursions' out of the core. Possible? YES. He was asleep when you got there. That doesn't mean that he no longer feels the hunger for Life-Force, that he does not wake and forage for yummy space pirate snacks. The pirates were mining 'toward' the core anyway, since they couldn't get in on top. Pretty easy pickins if you live in the core (and are metroid prime) and every now and then you hear drillin.

If you want to discuss a real plot hole, lets talk about why the Phazon all over the universe disappears.


 * One fourth of an inch? Where did you read they were so flexible? What about the tallons?


 * He's talking about mice right there. "Did you know mice can fit through 1/4" holes in your house?" Th e Ex t er m in at or  {ADMIN} (talk &bull; e-mail &bull; contribs &bull; count &bull; logs) 17:14, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Metroids don't need to fit through tight spaces when they can just phase out of local timespace when they absorb enough phazon. I always thought of that as a plausible explination for one getting past the seal and then mutating even more once inside. Bakframan 06:06, July 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Metroids don't need to fit through tight spaces when they can just phase out of local timespace when they absorb enough phazon. I always thought of that as a plausible explination for one getting past the seal and then mutating even more once inside. Bakframan 06:06, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

The NTSC version is riddled with inconsistencies, and after the release of the Metroid Prime Trilogy, it appears that the PAL version is canon. It makes sense in light of the future Prime games. This needn't be discussed. Metroid Fan 15:13, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

I pretty much agree with everything said, but as for the beam thing I actually believe Metroid Prime absorbed them from the Space Pirates as they were drilling. That would also explain how it was able to absorb Samus Phazon Suit. Metroids are known for taking energy for it's own, since Metroid prime is much MUCH stronger than any other metroid (hey, I bet it can even kick the Queen's ass) Prime's ability to absorb energy, now can absorb the being itself. Also, another thing I want to point out is that it stated Metroid Prime was consuming a huge amount of Phazon and what do Metroids like to do? Eat now, think later (if they can even think). In which it must have eaten or ABSORBED the Phanzon core, putting every theory about Prime, where it came from, the phazon core, etc all into one. Dr.Pancake 16:37, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I just remembered that Metroids can think since the baby Metroid knows that Samus is it's "mother" and you need some sort of intelligence to know that, but it also proves my statment about the "Eat now, think later", remember when the baby started to absorb Samus energy and at the last minute it realized that it was Samus. Well, same thing must of happened with Metroid Prime and Phazon Core except it didn't stop. Dr.Pancake 16:46, July 31, 2010 (UTC)

Corruption beastiary?
Hi, i just wanted to ask if Metroid Prime should be added to the Prime 3's beastiary. The creature's husks show up on Phaaze right? However, i don't know if this is enough to validate Metroid Prime being in Corruption. (24.201.170.219 00:50, October 3, 2010 (UTC))

The bestiaries are for creatures fought. This thing's just a corpse. Otherwise we'd have to put Parasite Queen in 3's as well, Sidehoppers in 1's... Dazuro 01:08, October 3, 2010 (UTC)

Oh ok. Thanks for clearing that up. (24.201.170.219 07:27, October 3, 2010 (UTC))


 * Wait wait wait. Where is Metroid Prime's husk in MP3? I went through Phaaze several thousand times and I never saw a very huge black shell. Shadowblade777 09:46, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow you're missing out! After you destroy the genesis womb (with the infant leviathan in it), DONT JUMP in the hole below just yet. Take out your scan visor and start looking around the walls, platforms, ceilings: your scanner will highlight MULTIPLE husks of a/the Metroid Prime. First time i saw that, i got the chills, just thinking of the possibility that the planet is full of these dangerous and powerful organisms! I think the gallery section of this article shows a pic of a few of them. (Latinlingo 10:42, October 10, 2010 (UTC))

Tell em again
"However, since Phaaze is already known to have a large population of mutated Metroids (consisting of Miniroids, Phazon Metroids and Hopping Metroids), it is possible for the future Metroid Prime to have entered the Leviathan before it was launched from Phaaze; indeed, it seems to make more sense that the Metroid Prime was in the Leviathan for a much longer period of time than the other Guardians and therefore had a deeper connection to it and Phazon itself, as it is more powerful than the Guardians encountered in Metroid Prime 3: Corruption and possesses the unique ability to generate pure Phazon."

What's up with this stubborn piece of text? I'm skipping through the Metroid Prime article and I find this here. I read it, I know that it's incorrect, so then I delete it. WHY WOULD ANYONE PUT IT BACK!? We all know that Metroids weren't made when the Leviathan struck, so how could they already be on Phaaze? Please keep it away. Wikitroid doesn't get better of telling lies to people who don't know as much about this as we do. KiHunter, 11:32, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

I assume you're basing yourself on the Metroid manga? Where it is only hinted that metroids were created at Samus' early years? This has already been discussed before: there is no way to confirm this information, especially from a source that is flawed. And like it or not, the prime series hint that metroids existed on Phaaze long ago and this information cannot be confirmed as well. The Origins section of the article presents all clues and evidence, as well as contradictions, to all possible explanations. We can't force an opinion to overthrow everything else. (Latinlingo 10:29, October 10, 2010 (UTC))

Official Nintendo information is not flawed. It's rather Retro that's not being true. The manga was from 2002, and in 2007 they failed to live up to it. I don't think we can put a theory in the article if there's a big chance that it's incorrect. I think it's trivia worthy at best. KiHunter, 13:27, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

Not flawed? Let me give you a few examples from Other M, official game from Sakamoto himself, that are flawed. Samus states that Mother Brain is the only being that can control Metroids, so why did Metroids break loose in Tourian and killed all Zebesian pirates in Zero Mission when Mother Brain is supposed to be capable of keeping them in check. Or why does Samus react so traumatically in seeing the return of Ridley AGAIN, a being that she has seemingly killed twice before (Zero Mission and Super Metroid) or, with the Prime series, 5 times before? A lot of fans were left scratching their heads and confused. Also, Samus mentions that even with Ridley's influence over the Pirates, that would not lead to the ressurection of the Space Pirate legions because they dont have a superior malicious force to lead them (Mother Brain), and thus pirates would become feral creatures; if thats the case, how in the world were pirates intelligent before Mother Brain took over (as in, during the days when she was nothing but a super computer for the chozo)? Another thing is that Other M suggests that the Galactic federation is made up of humans only, despite the fact that all other sources, including prime series, mention the existance of aliens working within the Federation. In this same talk page, there is also a list of inconsistencies pointed out in the Metroid manga.

So yes, Nintendo is flawed. (Latinlingo 21:18, October 10, 2010 (UTC))

I'm talking about the link between Nintendo games and Retro Studio games. How could we assume that Retro just ignored the manga and did what they liked to do? If we assume that, we cannot say that there's 1 Metroid storyline, but two separate stories in which Metroids were created on two different moments. That's weird isn't it? Since Retro never gave their version of how and when Metroids were created, we can only assume 1 thing: they were created during Samus' lifetime, thus making the theory that Prime came from Phaaze impossible. KiHunter, 18:06, October 12 2010 (UTC)

You're seriously overthinking a lot of that. Samus notes that Mother Brain can control metroids, but Madeleine later says that that doesn't work -- which Zero Mission's cutscenes demonstrated nicely. As far as Ridley, first off, there is no confirmation of him having died before Super. Second, Samus says that a lot of time has passed and memories of the space pirates had faded. Everything was settled. Suddenly the person responsible for the murder of her parents -- who she already killed and then exploded the planet he was on -- was alive and well and standing before her. Furthermore, Samus does suffer from PTSD with regard to Ridley, straight out of the manga. No contradiction there.

"Since Retro never gave their version, we can only assume they were created during Samus' lifetime"? What? Why? Retro never gave an explicit version, no, but even Nintendo's doesn't say they were created during her lifetime. They were finished then and presented as a viable bioweapon, but it's certainly possible there were other prototypes. And then there's the theory that they took native Tallon Metroids and used those to make SR388 Metroids.... but that's another story entirely. Dazuro 21:50, October 12, 2010 (UTC)

Exactly, no source says when exactly were Metroids created. And the whole Zero Mission cutscene actually makes me wonder bout something: If she saw the dead Zebesians, killed by Metroids, what would make her even think Mother Brain could control them in the first place and state this in Other M only to have Madeleine contradict her O_o? (Latinlingo 22:18, October 12, 2010 (UTC))

I agree with this after all Prime is another name for one as in the "First". Marx Wraith 22:11, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Should that be noted in the article? The definition of the word prime and its relevance to the creature itself? As in, possibly impliying that it is the first of its species / the first metroid to have reached Prime level, etc...(Latinlingo 00:49, October 26, 2010 (UTC))

New Pic
Hi, Marx Wrraith here, Just wondering if there was anywhere we could fit this screen shot of the Metroid Prime's 2nd form. It shows a lot more detail than the current one in any case, but I wanted an opinion from everyone before doing anything with it. This is the photo in question in.

Its a good picture, but I think the problem is Samus's arm cannon being in view, along with all of her visor details. A better picture would be the one where the Core Form yells at Samus with its tentacles spread out and the camera pans out, just before Samus dashes toward the boss. Is someone capable of taking that shot from the cutscene? As for your picture Marx Wraith, it could go into the gallery section, or if no one objects, switch places with the current pic of the creature (dont delete the original though). (Latinlingo 19:25, November 24, 2010 (UTC))